All gars banned in Singapore.

[ballinouttacntrol]

Facepalming ur support of bogus laws. All dogs can hurt u. Banning certain species is assinine. Gar dont attack people. Period. So reasoning that a banning of fish that might attack someone, when there is no confirmed attacks that im aware of, is smart or reasonable deserves a facepalm. So is ur statement that asserts snakes should not be in the home with a child because it will attack it. Assinine and worthy of facepalm. Im on my phone so sadly I cant post a pic.

Its a pointless ban and im sorry for yall

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i love when you use big words. does that guy work for ava? his logics are along the line of thinking of the people who make these decisions

 

[channarox]

This gives some extra insight.

I understand that Singapore has a ban on all herps, is it not? If so, I can see how and why the current ban has only been mentioned, but not materialized (IE, no articles on the web and no black and white).

I agree, why haven't there been any articles on the newspapers or on the web?

Here's a list of what IS allowed. As you can see, the list isn't very long.
Dog
Cat
Rabbit
Guinea pig
Hamster
Gerbil
Mouse
Chinchilla
Red-eared slider (a terrapin)
Birds [Birds listed in the CITES Appendices must have papers]
Fish [Fish listed in the CITES Appendices must have papers]
Land hermit crab (Coenobita rugosus)
Green tree frog (Litoria caerulea)
Malayan box turtle (Cuora amboinensis) CITES Appendix II

 

[AU_Arowana-RG]

I agree, why haven't there been any articles on the newspapers or on the web?

Here's a list of what IS allowed. As you can see, the list isn't very long.
Dog
Cat
Rabbit
Guinea pig
Hamster
Gerbil
Mouse
Chinchilla
Red-eared slider (a terrapin)
Birds [Birds listed in the CITES Appendices must have papers]
Fish [Fish listed in the CITES Appendices must have papers]
Land hermit crab (Coenobita rugosus)
Green tree frog (Litoria caerulea)
Malayan box turtle (Cuora amboinensis) CITES Appendix II

What the fargonautarsoliciousappsmonkeyblargshinemoolaraperetractorfinx!?

Tiny list. TINY list. Makes me feel even luckier that I live in the Philippines.

 

[channarox]

What the fargonautarsoliciousappsmonkeyblargshinemoolaraperetractorfinx!?

Tiny list. TINY list. Makes me feel even luckier that I live in the Philippines.

I know right. That doesn't stop us though.

 

[elindra]

I still think the most invasive species that is legal to keep are the Red Earred Sliders and Peacock Bass

 

[xander]

I've been speaking to some people, and it seems that the issue is about invasive species and protecting our native species. Apparently it was not the AVA's idea, but another agency. Since this is their reason for the ban, I believe it can be combated as gars and ATF are hardly found in our rivers at all compared to tilapia, bass, barramundi, carp and other invasives. Solomon & Richard, if I were to need help in producing documents on gars having a relatively negligible effect as an invasive species do you think you'll be able to help?

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[Polypterus]

I've been speaking to some people, and it seems that the issue is about invasive species and protecting our native species. Apparently it was not the AVA's idea, but another agency. Since this is their reason for the ban, I believe it can be combated as gars and ATF are hardly found in our rivers at all compared to tilapia, bass, barramundi, carp and other invasives. Solomon & Richard, if I were to need help in producing documents on gars having a relatively negligible effect as an invasive species do you think you'll be able to help?

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I can provide a whole lot of documentation on gars but some of it will hurt your case (habitat preference, Temp acclimation, etc) and the major point, That of them being negligible as far as invasive potentiality, There is not much as far as that is concerned. Most current research on gars, in the areas which applied, is not to establish that (for or against) but to establish deficient populations and study existing ones.

I could not really myself even tell you if they have an invasive potential in SG... let alone not have one....In my own analysis and given any of the information we have at this time on the fish. If one was to weight what is out there and published, the scales do tip towards them being potentially invasive and damaging in some cases when introduced to a new environment. I can not really deny that this does exist. I also cannot deny that they have a great Aqua-cultural value (Food and ornamental) that is also present that tips the scales right back the other direction in SE-Asia.

Personally I would like to see more documentation of their (AVA, whomever) analysis of this and the data that they are utilizing to justify this ban on Gars. I'm not sure of the specifics of their case and as such it makes it difficult to combat it effectively from a purely scientific angle. You guys over there as a first step need to obtain this documentation from them. After analysis of this then we (Sol, LRN, Myself, Etc.) can be more useful to you in a support role.

 

[channarox]

I'm pretty sure they could breed and populate in our waters. What we are saying is what difference would it make? Our waters are filled with non-native species anyways.

 

[esparonisproud]

So the bans on already? dangit

However more that can to relate to this topic, in seychelles where i live we cannot import any fish, nothing atall! not even goldfish! reason is the seychelles are a tropical group of islands, when the fish trade had opened hundreds of fish were being release in our waterways and bred including guppies,goldfish,platys,swordtails,koi gourami.

Now theres no fish stores here, at all, to import one you'll go through so much documentation, the only people who have kept there fish from ages ago are scarce. I have yet to see someone with my type of fish, all u see are goldfish which are over cross bred :S

 

[DeAmazono]

I'm pretty sure they could breed and populate in our waters. What we are saying is what difference would it make? Our waters are filled with non-native species anyways.

+1.

please name the native species that are found in our waters if any ?

I wonder if peacock bass are native to our waters since they can be found in our reservoirs and waterways. And they eat the hell out of whatever is in our waters. Are they going to ban those too ? Sometimes I wonder if like the person who designs bus lanes doesn't even drive a car similar to the people who want to ban the a/m. . . . Plain Dumb and Ignorant. . .