The Ohio situation. Read- this may effect us all

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Sucks that this situation happened but with the history of neglect and the authorities really doing nothing about it, I think the blame lies everywhere from where the dude got his animals from to the town that knew about the situation and did not enforce or remove the animals before this happened to the sick individual and the mental health field that is failing a lot of mental ill people everywhere.

I would personally would re-examine the industry and go through it throughly where the problem areas are at and address them instead of banning it outright. To keep peoples jobs to start with.

I personally don't think its appropriate for anybody to be keeping venomous snakes as they have no business risking the public due to the act of god such as hurricanes/tornados they cannot guarantee the animal will be still kept in the cages etc. The only appropriate places are at the zoos for public or for collecting venom to save lives otherwise to keep them as pets is really dumb thing to do when there are so many snakes out there thats not going to harm the public with their venom or large snakes

Look at what happening to florida right now with exotics threatening the public, no thanks to idiots who bred them and sold them to the wrong persons. The breeder is equally as responsible as the stupid owner. Same goes for huge felines such as tigers. Who bred them should have been held accountable.
As far as venomous, there should be some laws in regard to keeping them, but the responsible owners often do a better job than zoos at keeping the public safe from their snakes.. Zoos have escapes all the time, and possibly private collectors do as well and we just don't hear about it. Here's the difference: Zoos have people in their buildings every day, if one escaped it could easily bite someone if it felt like it. On the other hand, private collectors usually don't invite the general public in to see the snakes, and unless one escapes and gets out of the building (Which, again, could happen at a zoo just as easily if not easier..) the public is highly unlikely to be under any threat. Also, you act like zoos are completely invulnerable to natural disasters.. Wrong, they are just as susceptible to them as anyone else, sometimes even more so.

Also, any responsible venomous keeper (Which is a fair amount of them, the media just doesn't show that side of it.) knows that venomous snakes are not pets, they are biological specimens. Private collectors keep them for the love of observing and understanding these beautiful creatures, while zoos keep them because they can get people to pay money to see them.

All in all, if either zoos or private collectors is the more responsible keeper.... The quick answer is that a lot of the time it's the private collectors.
 
As far as venomous, there should be some laws in regard to keeping them, but the responsible owners often do a better job than zoos at keeping the public safe from their snakes.. Zoos have escapes all the time, and possibly private collectors do as well and we just don't hear about it. Here's the difference: Zoos have people in their buildings every day, if one escaped it could easily bite someone if it felt like it. On the other hand, private collectors usually don't invite the general public in to see the snakes, and unless one escapes and gets out of the building (Which, again, could happen at a zoo just as easily if not easier..) the public is highly unlikely to be under any threat. Also, you act like zoos are completely invulnerable to natural disasters.. Wrong, they are just as susceptible to them as anyone else, sometimes even more so.

Also, any responsible venomous keeper (Which is a fair amount of them, the media just doesn't show that side of it.) knows that venomous snakes are not pets, they are biological specimens. Private collectors keep them for the love of observing and understanding these beautiful creatures, while zoos keep them because they can get people to pay money to see them.

All in all, if either zoos or private collectors is the more responsible keeper.... The quick answer is that a lot of the time it's the private collectors.

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If a zoo has an escape, then tons of people are in danger plus they often do not realize that there was an escape for quite some time (remember that cobra that got out at the Bronx Zoo?). In a private home setting, only the owner and his/her family/friends/etc. are in any danger provided that proper containment procedures were already in place (proper space between door and floor, no open windows in the room, etc.); that snake probably isn't going to get out of the room it's in let alone get outside and pose a danger to the general public.
 
I didnt cite it as unconstitutional, I said illegal. There is video evidence of the ammendment failing, but someone put it back in the final bill and reagan signed it not knowing. Thus illegal!!

And there isnt more to the arguement. Shall not be infringed. Period. The 2nd wasnt written to arm citizens to protect against foreign gov, it was written to protect citizens against our own gov. Nothing more to it.

On subject, I always have and will continue to be 100% against permits. When the gov reaches their fat grubby hands in anything they dont stop, ever. IMO anybody who wants a hot or croc and is willing to put forth the effort should be allowed witthout seeking gov approval. My states serval permit is a great example or falconry permits as why we should not encourage them into our hobby.


While I see no practical use to owning machine guns. Sighting that restrictions on firearms as illegal/unconstitutional I would also point out that when the constitution was written the founding framers envisioned no standing military but rather a militia/conscript based army so the right to bear arms fed into that notion. Soon as we created the military industrial complex that we have come to know today its apparent that the Constitutional relevance of that right is kinda out the window, like how the constitution also allows slavery but we don't do that any more. Not saying owning guns make you a nut or that I'm personally ardently against guns or anything just pointing out that there is much more to the this than the NRA or Democrats would have you believe. When you look at the history of it all both camps kinda make totally irrelevant or inaccurate arguments.
 
Sucks that this situation happened but with the history of neglect and the authorities really doing nothing about it, I think the blame lies everywhere from where the dude got his animals from to the town that knew about the situation and did not enforce or remove the animals before this happened to the sick individual and the mental health field that is failing a lot of mental ill people everywhere.

I would personally would re-examine the industry and go through it throughly where the problem areas are at and address them instead of banning it outright. To keep peoples jobs to start with.

I personally don't think its appropriate for anybody to be keeping venomous snakes as they have no business risking the public due to the act of god such as hurricanes/tornados they cannot guarantee the animal will be still kept in the cages etc. The only appropriate places are at the zoos for public or for collecting venom to save lives otherwise to keep them as pets is really dumb thing to do when there are so many snakes out there thats not going to harm the public with their venom or large snakes

Look at what happening to florida right now with exotics threatening the public, no thanks to idiots who bred them and sold them to the wrong persons. The breeder is equally as responsible as the stupid owner. Same goes for huge felines such as tigers. Who bred them should have been held accountable.

In 1994, David Marshall, a senior keeper at Metro Zoo (now called Zoo Miami) was mauled to death by a 350 pound tiger named Lucknow.

In 2007, a Bengal tiger escaped her holding facility at the San Francisco Zoo, killing one zoo visitor and injuring two others.

Almost everyone in the zoological and conservation community opposes exotic animals being kept as pets by private owners.

“We do not support non-accredited facilities nor individuals that choose to keep these animals for personal reasons,” said Ron Magill of Zoo Miami.

I also remember on Aug. 28, 2010 Zoo Atlanta officials were working around the clock to find a rattlesnake that escaped.

According to a press release, the tiger rattlesnake that had been transported to the Zoo from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on Thursday escaped from quarantine.

DALLAS — Dallas Zoo officials said they can’t explain how a 300-pound gorilla escaped from his enclosure, injuring four people before he was shot to death.

Police evacuated an estimated 300 people from the zoo compound Thursday and killed Jabari, a 13-year-old male western lowland gorilla, after he charged at officers.

The parents of a 17-year-old boy killed by a tiger at the San Francisco Zoo said the attack has forever ruined Christmas for them, while police are investigating whether someone helped the tiger escape.

The area of the zoo in which the Siberian tiger killed Carlos Sousa of San Jose has been deemed a crime scene, San Francisco Police Chief Heather Fong said.

The zoo's director, Manuel Mollinedo, said officials have not determined how Tatiana, who weighed more than 300 pounds, escaped from her exhibit area and attacked three patrons Tuesday before police shot and killed her.

A 20-inch cobra slithered out of its cage in the Bronx Zoo Saturday, forcing the exhibit to close while workers searched for the venomous serpent, officials said.

The adolescent Egyptian cobra went missing from an off-exhibit enclosure sometime in the afternoon and zookeepers quickly closed off the Reptile House, officials said.

Workers canvassed the building, eying several closed-in spaces that the reptile would naturally be drawn to coil inside, officials said.

The snake - native to Africa and the Arabian Peninsula - was not recovered Saturday night, officials said.

Alphie - a Japanese Macaque escaped from the Pittsburgh Zoo in 1987. He went on a tour of the local countryside, showing up as a simian version of Where's Waldo before finally being captured in Ohio six months later.

a female Gorilla escaped because Pittsburgh Zoo just can't contain their attractions! The unnamed female vaulted the sixteen foot wide dry moat to grab an untrimmed piece of inch wide bamboo. She used this to climb the sixteen foot wall and then hopped the four foot retaining wall. Her hour long reign of terror over the zoo's garbage cans ended when she was lured into the women's restroom with Hershey kisses.

Ken Allen - a Orangutan born and raised at the San Diego Zoo, Ken Allen wanted freedom. Dubbed the Hairy Houdini, Allen escaped three times in the summer of 1985, spending each exhibition wandering the zoo grounds and looking at the other exhibits. Baffled as to how he escaped, zoo keepers tried to get video surveillance but Ken was on to them and continued to slip past. Even with employees undercover as tourists, the orangutan was able to spot them and avoid detection. Only when other apes started to escape with Ken did zoo officials give up; spending over $40,000 on renovations to the enclosure and ending Ken Allen's mini-vacations.

Reggie an American alligator was dumped in an urban lake in L.A., Reggie evaded capture for two years; costing the city over $180,000 and a lot of pride. When he was finally brought in and wrangled into L.A. Zoo, he showed them all how he felt about this indignity by immediately climbing the five foot wall around his area to go lounge by the loading dock.

a Japanese macaque named Opps who escaped her pen and was at large in the Western Virginia mountain wilderness/suburbia for more than a week before she was spotted in a nearby backyard,
 
Zoos are often times have more escapes and endangers to the public more than any private keeper. They are not the "holy grail" of captive animals since they have plenty of mistakes and I am not saying that private keepers don't but you hear about it a lot less and there are also a lot more private keepers than there are zoos.
 
Guys this is not good
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/BillText129/129_HB_352_I_N.html

ohio ban.... constricting snakes, venomous snakes, any other animal designated by the chief
so basically they are saying "you can keep a house cat, anything else we will decide"

Keep in mind constricting snakes includes ball pythons and corn snakes and ALL OTHER SNAKES.
 
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