labiatus are very distinct from midas and i can tell them apart labiatus that are tank raised/breed over time especially if you know its pure lab lose their fleshy lips but still possess the v shape mouth on the inside of the mouth instead of the u shape that the midas have your fish could or could not be midevil i mean the two and all the other amphs are always being crossed
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labiatus are very distinct from midas and i can tell them apart labiatus that are tank raised/breed over time especially if you know its pure lab lose their fleshy lips but still possess the v shape mouth on the inside of the mouth instead of the u shape that the midas have your fish could or could not be midevil i mean the two and all the other amphs are always being crossed
As far as Midas or RD, there's no way in telling what this fishes genetic make up is just by eye balling a picture of a fish, which sans any type of provenance leaves one with no other choice than to consider it a mix. (midevil)
In the midas complex it's not as simple as detemining the species by head shape, body shape, hypertrophied fleshy lips, etc. In the wild citrinellus have been found with deep bodies, and thin lips, as well as elongated bodies, and fleshy lips. The experts are still sorting this out, and many new species are still being discovered within the crater lakes of Central America.
See the link below for more information as to why V shaped & U shaped mouths, and/or body shapes are not always an accurate way to determine between these two species;
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f....-citrinellus-A-potential-case-of-F1-Midevils
HTH
In the midas complex it's not as simple as detemining the species by head shape, body shape, hypertrophied fleshy lips, etc. In the wild citrinellus have been found with deep bodies, and thin lips, as well as elongated bodies, and fleshy lips. The experts are still sorting this out, and many new species are still being discovered within the crater lakes of Central America.
See the link below for more information as to why V shaped & U shaped mouths, and/or body shapes are not always an accurate way to determine between these two species;
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f....-citrinellus-A-potential-case-of-F1-Midevils
HTH
ok well i stated that to me its a labiatus dont care for them or midevils and i know where all my midas citrinellus come from some wild caught and fish that i have had for years that i have breed my self none of my stock are midevil or labiatus but we all know that it is a big controversy over the species aqnd everyone has their opinion on them
I agree, that fish has labiatus in it, no question about that. My point was that you cannot always determine labiatus from citrinellus by simply looking at the lips/mouth or body shape of the fish. This is a common misconception in the hobby. If you took the time to read some of those studies that were linked to you'd understand why that is, and why one should only be breeding fish that are collected from the exact same collection location, at least if breeding pure fish is ones goal. It's a tad bit more complicated than V shaped or U shaped mouths, or elongated bodies versus deep bodies.
now look i don't need you insulting my intelligence on fish that i have been dealing with for years i am not green to anything you assuming that i don't read. I have did all sorts of research on these amphs don't need no links to knowledge i have already read everyone has their opinion on fish in this hobby I'm not new to this years under the belt don't wanna go back and forth about this I've seen it all over this forum don't need a heated debate so lets just leave this as the title says
I wasn't attempting to insult your intelligence, just clearing up a common misconception as to how one can definitely differentiate between a citrinellus, and a labiatus. According to the most recent science in this area, one cannot just go by the shape of the fishes mouth.
