A Thread To Help ID Black Diamonds (P13)

[Rotaryp04s]

but are you a new guy who has just got a new pair of BD or have you had them for years and had many many BD

i think this adviice would come better from a long term BD keeper

no offence

im just a hobbyest whos just in it for the love of the game

Does it matter if he's new? You must mean it should have came from you T1 a person that think he know it all and better than everyone lol all the respond and reply from you are 75% negative all you do is drill people's on mfk. Dame I guess u r better me than because you got all the high tech gadget for you rays like leak sensor.

 

[Ray'Oconner]

Does it matter if he's new? You must mean it should have came from you T1 a person that think he know it all and better than everyone lol all the respond and reply from you are 75% negative all you do is drill people's on mfk. Dame I guess u r better me than because you got all the high tech gadget for you rays like leak sensor.

nevermind him bro.. I am used to his comment already..
Usually comments without thinking if he knows the person..
Even after u shoot him dead.. He will be back as the living dead..
Some people just never learn..

We are sharing info.. thats all.. All comments are welcomed..
As we know it.. This will be a never ending debate..

 

[csx4236]

Why do people feel the need to use the terms or definitions like A, AA or AAA?

What everyone seems to not understand is BD pups get better with generations of captive breeding. Look at all wild caught BD producing nice pups some are great yeah but all the REAL AAA quality BD or what ever you people call them now with 6 rows of spots and a ring around the anus in order for it to be a REAL BD is just making me laugh now a days. It is just not accurate and only makes things more confusing. The more generations that are captive bred the better the quality the rays are becoming.

Also all this talk about bd/leo and bd I have seen nice wild caught bd produce pure looking pups and some that lose there outing 6,7,8,9,10 and whatever the hell you want to call em rows and even the anus row lol and are they not bd? says who? the parents were bd.

everyone needs to realize unless you have bred hundreds of pups then you are just taking an uneducated theory and spreading it around the internet and wasting your time and many other fish keepers time.

Now i will go back into my isolation from MFK and all the experts opinions for awhile and just sit back and laugh at half the threads on here.

 

[Rotaryp04s]

I see it like this T1 if the info make sence to you than take it it shouldn't matter who it
from even if it from a one eye one leg person who is keeping ray if the info good
that all it matter.

 

[DB junkie]

Why do people feel the need to use the terms or definitions like A, AA or AAA?

What everyone seems to not understand is BD pups get better with generations of captive breeding. Look at all wild caught BD producing nice pups some are great yeah but all the REAL AAA quality BD or what ever you people call them now with 6 rows of spots and a ring around the anus in order for it to be a REAL BD is just making me laugh now a days. It is just not accurate and only makes things more confusing. The more generations that are captive bred the better the quality the rays are becoming.

Also all this talk about bd/leo and bd I have seen nice wild caught bd produce pure looking pups and some that lose there outing 6,7,8,9,10 and whatever the hell you want to call em rows and even the anus row lol and are they not bd? says who? the parents were bd.

everyone needs to realize unless you have bred hundreds of pups then you are just taking an uneducated theory and spreading it around the internet and wasting your time and many other fish keepers time.

Now i will go back into my isolation from MFK and all the experts opinions for awhile and just sit back and laugh at half the threads on here.

So true..... This is exactly the point we were trying to make. Unless you've bred a whole bunch of BDs or have first hand experience with them then all these "traits" that must be present for it to be BD are nothing more then just heresay and like I said earlier, unfound fact, or opinion.

IF my AAA Marble has an anus ring does this mean it could actually be 3rd generation Hybrid AAA Marble BD? Or is it's ass just as chapped as mine is about this whole subject?

It's this kinda drama that pushes people away from these forums. Look at how many of the true experts have chimed in on this thread. It's a friggin joke.

 

[BigShawn]

I love all this info, but its very confuseing, all the info that I can find online is like this how can one get a clear cut answer on what is what from what I'm reading I either have to get some and start breeding to know or trust someone who has been breeding for years to know spending the amount that is asked for these rays you would think there would be more research done on this for new owners............

 

[hereticlosmorte]

Why do people feel the need to use the terms or definitions like A, AA or AAA?

What everyone seems to not understand is BD pups get better with generations of captive breeding. Look at all wild caught BD producing nice pups some are great yeah but all the REAL AAA quality BD or what ever you people call them now with 6 rows of spots and a ring around the anus in order for it to be a REAL BD is just making me laugh now a days. It is just not accurate and only makes things more confusing. The more generations that are captive bred the better the quality the rays are becoming.

Also all this talk about bd/leo and bd I have seen nice wild caught bd produce pure looking pups and some that lose there outing 6,7,8,9,10 and whatever the hell you want to call em rows and even the anus row lol and are they not bd? says who? the parents were bd.

everyone needs to realize unless you have bred hundreds of pups then you are just taking an uneducated theory and spreading it around the internet and wasting your time and many other fish keepers time.

Now i will go back into my isolation from MFK and all the experts opinions for awhile and just sit back and laugh at half the threads on here.

+1. i'm no expert on BD's, but considering the variation in appearance in any species, it's not always easy to tell their heritage by a specifics list. if the parents were known as BD, then it doesn't matter if it looks it, it IS it. there's no arguing that fact. it's nearly as silly as having 2 Leos produce a hystrix.

the point of the matter should be, like DB stated early in the thread, if YOU like the ray and are willing to pay the asking price, that's your call alone. what some might say is a ripoff, another will look at and say "WOW, i LOVE this ray!" beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

too many on here get their panties twisted in a bunch when debating what a "true" this or that is and "sorry, you don't have a REAL one because it doesn't match this perfect list of requirements." let it go already, be happy the person is taking an interest in keeping these awesome creatures (unless of course they're the type putting them in a 10gal tank and refusing to acknowledge they require more space!)

despite what T1 may say and get on ppl's nerves, i have to bring it up and commend him for putting a reasonable price on his new pups, not trying to gouge anyone's wallet like many would try to do.

 

[T1KARMANN]

Does it matter if he's new? You must mean it should have came from you T1 a person that think he know it all and better than everyone lol all the respond and reply from you are 75% negative all you do is drill people's on mfk. Dame I guess u r better me than because you got all the high tech gadget for you rays like leak sensor.

even with 20+ years of ray keeping i have never try to start a thread like this

now get lost you joker i have said something to offend you personally if not shut up as i cant think of any reason for your sly digs not in one post but 2

if this is the 1st and only pair of bd he has owned how can he talk about grading and this amount and that amount of spot

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[T1KARMANN]

nevermind him bro.. I am used to his comment already..
Usually comments without thinking if he knows the person..
Even after u shoot him dead.. He will be back as the living dead..
Some people just never learn..

We are sharing info.. thats all.. All comments are welcomed..
As we know it.. This will be a never ending debate..

you dont know me and i dont know you shot me dead come when you are ready i will pm you my address right now

 

[DavidW]

Is a leopoldi still a Leopoldi if it has 1000 spots? if it has none at all?

"Black Diamond" is an invented name.
http://roggenforum.lode.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2562

It has become a hobby name for Leopoldi with more spots that are found more predominantly, but not exclusively near Sao Felix on the Southern Xingu river.
'lesser' spotted Leos and other species are also found there.
They might be more correctly called a 'Sao Felix Leopoldi' but even that has problems.
A Brazilian fisherman has a limited quota of Leopoldi rays.
A regular Leo sells for $$hundreds, a BD Leo sells for $$thousands.
http://roggenforum.lode.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2590
If you were a fisherman which would you keep and which would you throw back in order to maximize your potential $$$s?
Where would you go fishing? a place where you can catch regular Leos more easily or an area where you have a better chance of getting a highly spotted one?
This creates a distorted idea of being able to classify them into sub-groups by spots and other superficial markings,and that there well defined barriers where one species suddenly becomes another.
They won't fit into neat little boxes like that.
'BD' is an attempt to impose a definition on something that cannot be defined in those absolute terms.