Breeding Cubans w/ fh?

[flowerpower]

Thanks for digging up that photo. Not a bad looking fish. IMO, Cubans have too many black markings but the blue/silver base color is very appealing.
As for the lyonsi being responsile for the double flowerline, Idk. It makes sense however but I'm sure that there are elements that are not so easy to id in the flowerhorn mix. I'm sure just about everything has been tried at least once.



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[loureyes]

I would try the pair and just keep the cool fry and breed them back to parents or another fish with cool traits. when breeding hybrids you get a variety of differnt looking fish from 1 batch some fugly some awsome. In my breeding projects I learned you will never know unless you do it yourself one pic of a hybrid dosnt mean the whole batch will look like that

 

[SilkyPimP]

Cool fish and good luck.
I have tried this mix a few times last year. All the fish came out ugly the 2 times they spawned. (But i am very picky and breed for hobby so I cull most fish not up to standards)
I still have one pair in the same community tank Hopefully they start breeding again

 

[flowerpower]

I would try the pair and just keep the cool fry and breed them back to parents or another fish with cool traits. when breeding hybrids you get a variety of differnt looking fish from 1 batch some fugly some awsome. In my breeding projects I learned you will never know unless you do it yourself one pic of a hybrid doesn't mean the whole batch will look like that

Yea, I'm sure most will look like mud but hopefully a few come out with nice pearls and a patterns. I suspect that even a touch of the male's visible traits would have a huge impact on the offspring.
I'm always so curious as to what genetic material lay hidden inside these fish. Always looking for the anomoly.

Cool fish and good luck.
I have tried this mix a few times last year. All the fish came out ugly the 2 times they spawned. (But i am very picky and breed for hobby so I cull most fish not up to standards)
I still have one pair in the same community tank Hopefully they start breeding again

Thanks for posting! Do you have any pictures of the parents and offspring?


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[Kaliedoscope]

I agree that cubans most likley are not in the parentage for most double row fh. it is interesting to say that the flowerline may come from selectivley breeding lyonsi based fh (most likley lyonsi x trimacs as this appears to be where the flowerline comes from). And this is most likley true. But it is most likley that where these come from is a mixture of what you and I are both saying. Bocourti may be more of a secret kept back in the genes many generations as they are rare

 

[Kaliedoscope]

heres an example of what i was talking about. Ever seen a flowerhorn with that pattern on the side? I thought so : )

 

[Kaliedoscope]

of course these fish are not common

 

[Kaliedoscope]

oh yeah by the way this is what a cuban x fh looks like


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(of course this pic is fake : 0 )

 

[Calihawk]

Eh? No one knows or can fully predict what FH babies will look like. Thats why some people hate FHs because they are a toss up. You can have 2 beautiful parents and half the babies will look like crap. Or have 2 crappy parents and half the babies be stunners. Or have double bars from non-double bar parents. Because they are mixed with a gazillion different fishes, some past hidden traits may pop out one day.

 

[BIG_ONE]

heres an example of what i was talking about. Ever seen a flowerhorn with that pattern on the side? I thought so : )

Yes bocourti have lines like that(only when they're juveniles - they look different as they become an adult). But keep in mind that anything paratheraps, vieja, or heritchys does not throw out the same display of flowerlines like a lyonsi or a trimac would. Many will be similar, but to really display the exact replica isn't the same. And here's a fact that I will eliminate why I said bocourti isn't the reason flowerhorn displayed their double row. Number one - that would be kamfa(and remember you cannot eliminate any genetics - it will throw out no matter what). Number two - kamfa never existed until ZZ came into play(excluding anything SRS/RM or Classic - they are vieja base with parrots). Number three - old school double row kamfa never existed in the first place before the double row ZZ. And I highly doubt that it can be easily be picked off or reduce of that particular genetic with such short time period knowing of those legendary ZZ. And here's another proof and fact upon that part as well. As we all know of genetic, once its introduce then it will always be thrown out one or the other. The fader genetic of flowerhorn for example, it has been bred for over a century and yet it still throws out. Or the short body from the parrot and etc. Genetic will always find its way to throw itself out. It's part of the mother nature. In this case, bocourti marking may be seen from time to time. BUT, the rest of the physical trait for bocourti is rarely seen or probably never seen displayed on any offsprings known to date(from what I know). That would defeat the whole purpose wouldn't it?
The vieja syn is one of the earliest fish to be used in such hybrid, but yet still display itself a century later. Or even from getting red texas looking frys from my vieja/texas female and ZZmalau father. Reason is - genetic will display itself(parrot genetic in the dad and texas from the mother, and don't forget you see no trait of parrot in the dad at the time being). Bocourti on this case, for my fact of knowledge and tested proven(not with a bocourti - but with other species) on my own experiment with how genetic display. Bocourti is somewhat out of the question here since I have yet seen or heard or any rumor about bocourti traits being displayed.
It is hard to understand and a lot of work to really see through it. And I don't expect anyone on MFK or the hobby alone to understand the concept. Some may, some may not. All to each and its own personal experience with their own personal fact. Please do share more upon it if anyone knows something and likes to add onto it.