The thread wasn't about what is best bait for larger cats, it was about what is good bait for catfish in general. That said, my roommate from Wisconsin would bring me a cooler full of stunted channel catfish from a small lake in Wisconsin, probably about 20 of them in a cooler.They were good to eat through.i wasn't arguing with you at all that livers or hot dogs don't catch fish, this thread just kind of evolved in to being about larger cats lol