FishFreak95 - Yeah this is essentially what I was saying. ZZ are just the trimac heavy strains. The main charachteristic of a zz if I understand correctly is that it has a flower on the head as well as a flower line. Which is a trimac trait. So zzs are basically sported trimacs.
Although, nitro dempsey, this is not true of all flowerhorns, only the zzs. This is something you might have been asking before actually because it goes like this - ZZs are mostly trimac. Kamfas are flowerhorns bred to vieja to get a fish with an amphilophus body and a vieja coloration (this is a thing because it is difficult. if you try to just breed them one to one you get kirin parrots). Faders are flowerhorns that fade, which is a trait of the midas and red devil cichlids.
SO
zz - trimac base
kamfa - vieja traits
fader - fader traits (parrots are "faders" too so the fade gene can come from them, but in parrots it already comes from midevils)
Regalblue - The reason lyonsi is a big part of flowerhorns is that lyonsi is where the 'flower line" comes from. A traditional trimac only has three spots (trimaculatum = "three spots") - The "flower" on the head, one black spot in the middle and an ocellus (eye spot/black spot outlined with white or color) So in order to get the traditional "flower-horn" cichlid
you breed the fish with the flower line to the fish that has the flower-horn (the spot on the head is called a flower, horn refers to the kok or head and the fact that the flower spot is on the head... at least this is my understanding as I only speak english).
Lyonsi do get a head, though it does not fill with water and fat as midases and flowerhorns do.
the male lyonsi will get a large protruding forehead like for example a texas or carpintinis cichlid dominant male. This trait was combined with the head gene in midevils and red synspilum to get the kok head on modern flowerhorn. It was however important to cross them back as the early flowerhorns weren't supposed to be faders. (a fader seems to me to be more of a courruption" so to speak of the origional strains by breeding back in midevils - the exception of this being the true fader jin kangs which have red heads.)
Furthermore, Regalblue here is a pic. It is from jeff rapps so you know its probably F0 or 1
This is a real classy male so it also shows the extent of the head. there are some flowerhorns that only get heads like this but nowadays they are considered low quality. It also shows the pink belly that is in some zzs. not a great flower line but thats what the video i posted earlier was for.
But I dare you to look at this pic and tell me you can't see how it looks like a zz flowerhorn
Although, nitro dempsey, this is not true of all flowerhorns, only the zzs. This is something you might have been asking before actually because it goes like this - ZZs are mostly trimac. Kamfas are flowerhorns bred to vieja to get a fish with an amphilophus body and a vieja coloration (this is a thing because it is difficult. if you try to just breed them one to one you get kirin parrots). Faders are flowerhorns that fade, which is a trait of the midas and red devil cichlids.
SO
zz - trimac base
kamfa - vieja traits
fader - fader traits (parrots are "faders" too so the fade gene can come from them, but in parrots it already comes from midevils)
Regalblue - The reason lyonsi is a big part of flowerhorns is that lyonsi is where the 'flower line" comes from. A traditional trimac only has three spots (trimaculatum = "three spots") - The "flower" on the head, one black spot in the middle and an ocellus (eye spot/black spot outlined with white or color) So in order to get the traditional "flower-horn" cichlid
you breed the fish with the flower line to the fish that has the flower-horn (the spot on the head is called a flower, horn refers to the kok or head and the fact that the flower spot is on the head... at least this is my understanding as I only speak english).
Lyonsi do get a head, though it does not fill with water and fat as midases and flowerhorns do.
the male lyonsi will get a large protruding forehead like for example a texas or carpintinis cichlid dominant male. This trait was combined with the head gene in midevils and red synspilum to get the kok head on modern flowerhorn. It was however important to cross them back as the early flowerhorns weren't supposed to be faders. (a fader seems to me to be more of a courruption" so to speak of the origional strains by breeding back in midevils - the exception of this being the true fader jin kangs which have red heads.)
Furthermore, Regalblue here is a pic. It is from jeff rapps so you know its probably F0 or 1
This is a real classy male so it also shows the extent of the head. there are some flowerhorns that only get heads like this but nowadays they are considered low quality. It also shows the pink belly that is in some zzs. not a great flower line but thats what the video i posted earlier was for.
But I dare you to look at this pic and tell me you can't see how it looks like a zz flowerhorn
