Swollen Ray, what is up?

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1ppm ammonia is common in areas where the water is treated with chloramine. Treatments such as Prime, Chloram-X, Safe all bind the ammonia while breaking the bond with the chlorine. My source water has chloramine, I do high percentage water changes (80, 90% is typical) and have never had an issue (I've used Prime in the past, currently use Chloram-X and will be switching to Safe next as it's cheaper). I'd be surprised if 20 gals of 1ppm ammonia would've affected the ray anyway, given the overall dilution of the water you added: assuming a 200 gal system including the sump that's .1ppm when the makeup water mixes in and the filter would've removed that in short order.

Presumably the water company has switched to chloramine, it would be worth checking their website or giving them a call to find out for sure.

Sorry for your loss, whatever the cause.
 
I always thought water run through home water softeners is not usable for aquatics?

If you are trying to soften your water I would recommend a more proven method .theirs probably safe home softeners but their really ain't much info on them. And your unit probably doesnt remove chlorine?
 
PeteLockwood said:
1ppm ammonia is common in areas where the water is treated with chloramine. Treatments such as Prime, Chloram-X, Safe all bind the ammonia while breaking the bond with the chlorine. My source water has chloramine, I do high percentage water changes (80, 90% is typical) and have never had an issue.
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petelockwood> do you age your water before 80-90% wc ? Or do u have drip?


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I have a 45 gallon tub. I fill that, mixing the dechlorinator. As soon as it's full I pump it into the tank. When the tank is full again I switch the pumps back on.

I know a lot of people just add the dechlorinator to the tank and fill directly with a hose. This way takes a little extra time but personally I like that I can see the water before it goes to the tank - there was a burst main around here a couple years ago and the water was brown so seeing that I didn't do a water change that day (I start filling the 45 gallon tub first before I start emptying the tank).
 
Ade said:
petelockwood> do you age your water before 80-90% wc ? Or do u have drip?


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80-90% water change. Wouldn't that be a shock to a fish to change out that much water at one time? I would suspect the water chemistry would be drastically different from the tank to tap or conditioned water. I do small frequent changes as opposed to one large change. I personally think that large of a change could stress out a ray.
 
calgaryflames said:
I always thought water run through home water softeners is not usable for aquatics?

If you are trying to soften your water I would recommend a more proven method .theirs probably safe home softeners but their really ain't much info on them. And your unit probably doesnt remove chlorine?
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i have a declorinator that water passes through to enter my pipes in my home. the next step is the conditioner. it uses ceramic beads that use a positive-negative ion exchange to attract hardness onto the ceramic and only issues soft water. there are no chemicals used in the equipment.

i repeat, it is not a salt softener, no salt or chemicals are used in the softening of the water.

the water is reading currently at 2-4 ppm of ammonia from the tap, even with the equipment in bypass mode.
i tested my neighbors water and got similar results, then i went to work halfway across the city and got similar results yet again.
it is most certainly in the city water.

i am calling the city water treatment in the morning because not only is it not healthy for the fish, it is not healthy for humans.

to make matters even more interesting, a local buffet with a koi tank did a water change on the weekend and but 1 fish died within the day of doing the change. more to the point, i asked and they did the water change on the exact day i did mine.

all we need is someone adding bleach to the mix now and we'll all get a lovely dose of mustard gas! lol
 
I always used to drain the old water out dose the full tank volume with prime the fill right from the tap

Only ever no more than 40% and no less than 25%

The cold water was never a problem
And the higher ph helped buff the tank water

2 water changes per week always

I found if you start messing with the ph you will be fighting a losing battle

Rays can live and breed in a very wide ph range and keeping it stable is the key


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Raymann88 said:
80-90% water change. Wouldn't that be a shock to a fish to change out that much water at one time? I would suspect the water chemistry would be drastically different from the tank to tap or conditioned water. I do small frequent changes as opposed to one large change. I personally think that large of a change could stress out a ray.
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Not at all. I have been doing these large changes for years with no adverse effect. The difference in the water will be less DOCs, more Kh, higher pH, lower nitrate. Nothing bad there. Gh will be the same. If you have a substrate which affects your water chemistry, however, large water changes are a different prospect.
All my fish react positively to the water change.

Heretic, i agree 4ppm is ridic. Get on the horn for sure.
 
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