those people are the worst, i don't know much about cichlids but even i know thats crazy
I was arguing with this guy today..........
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those people are the worst, i don't know much about cichlids but even i know thats crazy
I am curious also, did you read it? What Azedenkae says makes a lot of since, and why you have to babble about the gravitational pull is quite ignorant.
You want evidence? I have evidence. A Cuban pair. Those that raise them know that they do not grow fast as it is. I have a spawning pair that is 1.5 years old, and I have another female of the same age. My spawning female is barely 5" while her sister, though not in a dominant role in my community tank, is almost 7".
I also have 2 Amph Hoga Females. I first purchased the dominant breeding pair in the tank. My original pair, male was 7" female 6". This male has been sterile, so has been unable to spawn. I also purchased another nice looking female, to go with a male that I already had. So I have 2 sets. The dominant pair and another male and female. That dominant female was better looking so I switched her to the male that I already had. A long story short, that dominant female Began spawning around 6" last year, she is now about 7", maybe a tad larger. The other female started out slightly smaller, about 5" she has not spawned, and is pushing 9". And she again, is in a community setting where she is not the dominant fish.
I also have a spawning pair of Zonatus, and a non spawning female. The spawning female about 7" and the non spawning female is pushing 9". Both females were also purchased last Summer around 4-5".
Than there are my RTMs. 2 non spawning females pushing 11"+, the spawning female, she is still barely 6".
I dont know how much more proof you need. I have spawned several different types of Cichlids, and in all of my females that continually spawn on a regular bases, the females clearly, are growing at a substantially slower rate.
I'm speculating that some of the larger CA species' growth are more immediately impeded by the drain of spawning than smaller species.
Seems reasonable. To be fair, you really have to compare within same species.
Seems reasonable. To be fair, you really have to compare within same species.
That's certainly a possibility. It would be interesting to know which species are more sensitive and why.
Geez, what happened to you? Bad lunch?
Try not to call people ignorant before you understand what they are saying. OK?
Yes I read it. Like you said, a lot of things made sense. That's exactly my point. Gravity pulling different galaxies toward each other also "makes sense" to a lot of people, but it's worthless because it's an explanation of something that simply does-not-happen. It's a metaphor to help people like you understand.
He said for all cichlids, females spawning early are stunted. To prove something wrong, one only needs a single negative example. To prove something right, one needs to prove it right in all cases. Here - I colored it for you.
In other words, if I say everything is blue, you only have to show me one thing that's not blue to prove me wrong. Make sense?
I know my orange head females spawned at 7 month old and 3.5", and they have been growing as fast as, if not faster than, their siblings. They are now 1.5 years old and 6" long. Why don't you go find me a 1.5-year-old female orange head that's bigger than that?
As you might know, orange heads are mouthbrooders, which means they not only have to spend the energy to lay eggs, but also have to stop eating afterwards for 4-5 days. Every single time. And even for them, females are not stunted.
I don't care what you did or did not do to stunt your fish. I have not worked with those species. I'll be interested to hear other people's experiences because if in a single person's experience early spawning females aren't stunted, then they are not supposed to be.
In any case, my-fish-are-not-stunted, so-not-all-fish-spawning-early-are-stunted, so-he-was-wrong. OK?
Here is the bigger problem. The reasons he gave that "makes a lot of sense" to you should be applicable to all species, yet they clearly aren't, so they are at best flawed. Like I said, why he was wrong may be an interesting topic, but it has nothing to do with the fact that he was wrong.
I hope this makes more sense to you.
man .. alot of hostility in this room over the size of some fishies..
wrong or right , left or right , all we can say for sure is what has been observed, now since were not all monitoring our tans and doing exactly the same thing all the time with the same water source and the same food and the same gear none of this means jack... so all we can go on here is OUR own experiences, so to those who have observed the stunting of full-time or early breeders there observations are true and while your orange/ red headed whatevers arent displaying the same stuff then your right
unless your dealing in the same everything the variables within diet and water quality,species,time of birth, tank temp , etc etc etc etc then no one can say for sure
cant we all just get along
cheer up guys its summer there are girls in bikinis somewhere ... yeah thats right ... boobs
wrong or right , left or right , all we can say for sure is what has been observed, now since were not all monitoring our tans and doing exactly the same thing all the time with the same water source and the same food and the same gear none of this means jack... so all we can go on here is OUR own experiences, so to those who have observed the stunting of full-time or early breeders there observations are true and while your orange/ red headed whatevers arent displaying the same stuff then your right
unless your dealing in the same everything the variables within diet and water quality,species,time of birth, tank temp , etc etc etc etc then no one can say for sure
cant we all just get along
cheer up guys its summer there are girls in bikinis somewhere ... yeah thats right ... boobs
Wait.... you mean to tell me that all this time us mods have been locking threads and all we had to do was drop "boobs" in a post to get it back on track???
I'm using this from now on..
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I think you have science backing you up here bro. I can hohnestly say I've never looked at a boob and MFK at the same time. Science is fun!
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yeah well after all, you start out life drooling over them and you end up a dirty old man drooling over them, the cycle of life is funny
and you see all this titay talk has got everyone in a nice comfy place and no more beef... especially over whose is bigger isnt life filled with enough of that already
and you see all this titay talk has got everyone in a nice comfy place and no more beef... especially over whose is bigger isnt life filled with enough of that already
