Cichlid names don't Matter

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aclockworkorange said:
Calihawk, I'm curious about what you do for a living and what your educational background is...
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Irrelevant.

Even Albert Einstein didn't know how to tie his shoes. The smartest person will always be ignorant when it comes to certain things he hasn't learned or is physically/mentally unable to perform. And our significance and worth on this forum is any which way a member wishes to accept and percieve us.

But if you really must know, my wage is more or equal to a Medical Assistant, and I am on Dean's List every semester so far in college. Full-time work, Full-time school, single parent of 3 beautiful children.
 
aclockworkorange said:
Well if you're in school, you've probably taken some Bio classes. I would think this stuff would be pretty simple and a bit interesting to you.


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It really is but Im just not so giddy about Labels. Don't mind me, Im just putting out how I feel and I can see that a few people feel the same way too. But at the same time, I will make sure to share the link too.
 
If the names don't matter then how you Identify your fish ?

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I find it ironic that someone that isn't into labels or names, uses terms such as Kamalaus, Kamfa, and Super Red Dragon to describe his fish. Even going so far as to list some FH fry that you have for sale as Super Red Dragon x Kamfa Paratheraps.

So cichlid names don't matter, but hybrid cichlid names do? Where's the logic in that?

Genus, filial #'s, and/or location aren't important to you because you no longer keep fish where those designations would be applicable. And that's not me knocking people that keep FH's, I'm just sayin ......

And all of that is quite fine by me, but what I don't understand is what you stated in your original post about the so called "know-it-alls" arguing about genus, filial, and collection locations, and stating that it's all irrelevant.

What know it alls would those be? In all my years on MFK I don't recall ever coming across someone in the CA/SA section that promoted themself as knowing all. Some people probably view certain individuals that way, but usually I find that those are simply members that through their own insecurity can't handle being corrected on a public forum.

Part of what I love the most about this hobby is that it's a never ending learning process, and no one will never know it all.
 
I think the main take away here is that naming, and all science actually, is a dynamic thing and we just need to know that things change as we learn more (as illustrated by the sun revolving around the earth example.

And for the record, I believe Einstein not being able to tie his shoes is a myth. He could do it, he was just absent minded about details and often forgot to do so. But I agree with the point that even geniuses can struggle with things that seem basic to others. It just depends on how youre wired.
 
RD. said:
I find it ironic that someone that isn't into labels or names, uses terms such as Kamalaus, Kamfa, and Super Red Dragon to describe his fish. Even going so far as to list some FH fry that you have for sale as Super Red Dragon x Kamfa Paratheraps.

So cichlid names don't matter, but hybrid cichlid names do? Where's the logic in that?

Genus, filial #'s, and/or location aren't important to you because you no longer keep fish where those designations would be applicable. And that's not me knocking people that keep FH's, I'm just sayin ......

And all of that is quite fine by me, but what I don't understand is what you stated in your original post about the so called "know-it-alls" arguing about genus, filial, and collection locations, and stating that it's all irrelevant.

What know it alls would those be? In all my years on MFK I don't recall ever coming across someone in the CA/SA section that promoted themself as knowing all. Some people probably view certain individuals that way, but usually I find that those are simply members that through their own insecurity can't handle being corrected on a public forum.

Part of what I love the most about this hobby is that it's a never ending learning process, and no one will never know it all.
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was going to mention that how can someone who is into hybrids which is all about species differentiation and stupid made up names (that truly do not matter) could say that names dont matter.
 
RD. said:
I find it ironic that someone that isn't into labels or names, uses terms such as Kamalaus, Kamfa, and Super Red Dragon to describe his fish. Even going so far as to list some FH fry that you have for sale as Super Red Dragon x Kamfa Paratheraps.

So cichlid names don't matter, but hybrid cichlid names do? Where's the logic in that?
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ZING!
 
RD. said:
I'm assuming that you didn't actually take the time to read the "study" that you are referring to.
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Uhh, my typed-on-the-fly intent was misunderstood.
I did read how THIS study was performed (not that I understand it all), therefore why continue using and debating other methods which have been relied on to classify fish..
 
Just because science is dynamic and (in this area) never reaches complete certainty, it is not logical to consider it irrelevant. At a base level, if you wish to sell or give a fish to someone, you need a naming convention for the recipient to reference what he or she is getting. At a much infinite level, humans are only scratching the surface of understanding the evolutionary relationship these species have with one another. Genus reclassifications is the result of the progress of science, and not an indication of the honesty or intelligence of earlier scientists.

No one "knows it all" and all of us are surrounded by others who know more than we do. For most of us, it is easier to accept this fact than for others, who call themselves out with outrageous statements or thread titles. Putting oneself in a position to learn is a positive behavior and not an indictment of your lack of knowledge.

Also, knowing you are in the medical field (I'm supposing) is not a feel good when I get my bloodwork back or medication is being filled for me. I would hope "names" mean everything to all members of this community, not to mention science.

Calihawk said:
LOL, thought the thread title would be eye catching. I dont really have much issues except that "I, personally" dont care for Genus or Filial generations, and not even Locales that much neither. When you think about it these are all the things that can be made up, or changed too often. Even those that are supposedly known or reputable evidence, vendor status, etc. Unless you caught it yourself, but who cares I bought it somewhere else too.

We've all been fed this lie that the Viejas were all from the same origin/fish. JK, its not a lie but an inconclusive study. Nature and the study of it is so complex and vast, it will never really be set. Just like many other controversies about fishes in different locales and natural hybrids being classified as something else YADA YADA.

But nothing erks me most than "Know-it-alls" arguing with you about Genus, Filial, and even Locations, when in reality...its all irrelevant.

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=3319
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