That is true but when you try to pass off the mistake to the buyer, i dont find that acceptable.
Thinking about ordering a ray from Sean L(snakeskin) thoughts?
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That is true but when you try to pass off the mistake to the buyer, i dont find that acceptable.
DB went on to clairify that it was the asian suppliers fault. so you cant take that out of contexted and use it. he lied to you, i have had companies lie to me and others swear by them. it happens in all businesses. now i am not standing up for him, but i am just pointing things out. h2o has had bad things go on and yet there are many people that have had good exeriences with him.
now if i left out most of a post i can change the actual meaning of it. DB's post was actually in defense of shawn, you turned it negative. here is your post turned similar.
jstavis: "i could see doing business with this guy" "i see no reason to think it should be any different"
now your a shawn advocate.
just sayin, myself and several others have had good experiences with him and you along with several others have had bad experiences with him. dont take a deffense post and turn it against a person. i will say if i go to order something and i dont feel right about the situation i dont get it. another example if you ask a few people about me some dont like me. yet others have had no problems with me. youll get a mixed result every time you pose this question.
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I could care less if Thailand sends the wrong rays, the vendor is the one we deal with. It is his responsibility to ensure that we receive what we ordered since he is the one we give our cash to. If it was an isolated incident then maybe all is forgivable but since it is a repeated occurrence then I dont think so.
I guess some can let getting screwed go, but I am not built that way. If the shoe fits he can wear it. He is a liar and the shoe fits him well.
I guess some can let getting screwed go, but I am not built that way. If the shoe fits he can wear it. He is a liar and the shoe fits him well.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but buying rays is a gamble period. Don't want to gamble? Buy an established WC or a CB from a HOBBYIST. NOT a vendor. Anyone in this game should know that the only way to make a buck is to cut corners or volume discounts. Want a cheap ray be prepared to get what you pay for.
I've been on this site for years and the truth is there has NEVER been a vendor here that doesn't have skeletons in thier closet. Every single one has had a "hobbyist" talk crap about them. Could have been something simple as a delayed flight, ray was a little skinny, maybe it had one less dot then the new owner expected. Doesn't matter, you'll NEVER please everyone and some people have nothing better to do then talk crap about other people or what life should be like in thier perfect little hobby.
IF you can't justify the risk, or aren't prepared for the worst then do yourself a favor and stick to the local fish stores, or buy from hobbyists you trust. It's real simple, IF you can't take the gamble, don't put yourself in that situation.
It's funny to me that it's always the same people chiming in when it comes to these threads.
I didn't get the rays I ordered but guess what? IF you saw the rays I was after you'd understand. I knew there was a gamble and I took it. Would I take it again? Probably. Why? Cause I chose to be in this hobby and don't expect anything more then what it is. It's life, always has been, and always will be a gamble.
I've been on this site for years and the truth is there has NEVER been a vendor here that doesn't have skeletons in thier closet. Every single one has had a "hobbyist" talk crap about them. Could have been something simple as a delayed flight, ray was a little skinny, maybe it had one less dot then the new owner expected. Doesn't matter, you'll NEVER please everyone and some people have nothing better to do then talk crap about other people or what life should be like in thier perfect little hobby.
IF you can't justify the risk, or aren't prepared for the worst then do yourself a favor and stick to the local fish stores, or buy from hobbyists you trust. It's real simple, IF you can't take the gamble, don't put yourself in that situation.
It's funny to me that it's always the same people chiming in when it comes to these threads.
I didn't get the rays I ordered but guess what? IF you saw the rays I was after you'd understand. I knew there was a gamble and I took it. Would I take it again? Probably. Why? Cause I chose to be in this hobby and don't expect anything more then what it is. It's life, always has been, and always will be a gamble.
You are VERY quick to point the finger, make assumptions, and give the general idea you know him well.
Tell us about YOUR direct dealing with him. I'd love to hear about it as I am one of the ray hobbyists here who has some nice rays swimming in my tanks that I got directly from Shawn. There's several of us that have actually spent money with him and have nice rays to show for it.'
I accept risks. I don't accept lies. I don't understand why anyone else is willing to accept lies.
I ordered a couple of rays from him (to be shipped), and had delayed responses...to the point where I was concerned (although I didn't share that part with the hubby, lol!). The rays ended up getting shipped to my amazement, and did arrive alive. They are still doing well, but both were thin when I received them. They are wc though, so at the time I figured that was the reason, but very shortly after I read a bunch of not so great experiences with him here on MFK, and realized how lucky I was to have them at all! So yes, I've got a couple great rays from him, but no, I won't order any more through him. Which is unfortunate, since I especially like the female I ended up with!
Btw, what kind of Geo is in your profile pic?
The geo is an Altifon.
Back on topic.
I understand the inherent risks involved with buying fish via the internet and shipped and honestly was going to take a chance (not an expensive ray) until I recieved his email. if he has the ray what's the problem with sending me additional pics? If i was honest and voiced my concerns the request for additional info should not be dismissed that easily. Honestly he lost a good potential customer as i like rare stuff have no issue shelling out $$ if its something I want and being in sales always refer people to sellers I have worked with and impress me.
That's just the thing. I wouldn't accept that kind of response from anyone in any other business, so why should I accept it from someone who is selling me a fish?
"I didn't get the rays I ordered but guess what? IF you saw the rays I was after you'd understand."
I don't mean to ratchet up the tension, DB, but aren't you essentially saying, "If you saw the pictures he baited me with you'd understand why I fell for the bait and switch?" Again, I don't blame you at all for taking a risk, and I don't have a problem with you being pleased with your transaction. However, I still don't see how this guy can seriously claim that everyone has always gotten the rays that they ordered when you very clearly didn't.
"I didn't get the rays I ordered but guess what? IF you saw the rays I was after you'd understand."
I don't mean to ratchet up the tension, DB, but aren't you essentially saying, "If you saw the pictures he baited me with you'd understand why I fell for the bait and switch?" Again, I don't blame you at all for taking a risk, and I don't have a problem with you being pleased with your transaction. However, I still don't see how this guy can seriously claim that everyone has always gotten the rays that they ordered when you very clearly didn't.
Exactly.
I've never dealt with this vendor but outright fraud is way too common in the New World cichlid hobby. People are willing to accept that fish are wild (or F1) with no proof (or proof to the contrary)...and to buy "wild" fish at prices that are too-good-to-be-true. Same "that's what was on the wholesale list" BS as a rationalization.
Not sure how important it is for rays, but the danger of introducing falsely identified / pond fish to into known lines of cichlids is high...
Matt
I've never dealt with this vendor but outright fraud is way too common in the New World cichlid hobby. People are willing to accept that fish are wild (or F1) with no proof (or proof to the contrary)...and to buy "wild" fish at prices that are too-good-to-be-true. Same "that's what was on the wholesale list" BS as a rationalization.
Not sure how important it is for rays, but the danger of introducing falsely identified / pond fish to into known lines of cichlids is high...
Matt
Jesus. You think I knew it was a bait and switch? You think Shawn knew? When you get tired of the crap quality america typically recieves ray wise what choice do you have but to import? None. You have no choice but to trust someone. IF I thought it was a bait and switch obviously I wouldn't have done it, but the Marbles I was sent pics of are an a whole nother level when compared to the crap quality typically peddled to the US. IF I didn't jump on them the next guy in line would have. I had no reason to doubt it as I have recieved top notch rays from this source before. In fact I have a black mutt I think is just as nice as any I've seen over here and not only did it come from Shawn but it came at a nice price too.
I was given credit with the guy in Thailand. Nobody's imported from him since so maybe I will get screwed on the credit I was given. Maybe the guy will feel bad and send me something crazy BUT I can't pony up the loot to pay fees to import a single ray so I'm stuck.
Like I said before, can't justify the risk, keep to the LFS or hobbyists.
The whole point of this thread was don't buy from Shawn. Point has been taken. But regardless of how many people are unhappy with his communication, answers, emails, responses, whatever, there's still a bunch of us out here with some really friggin nice rays that wouldn't have them if it wasn't for Shawn. Does that mean we agree with his ways? Nope. Just means the guy has brought in some nice rays, and those of us that risked and were rewarded are pretty happy and continue to do business with him. Like it or not, just the way the cookie crumbles.
