Thanks for your input as well. you have very nice collection of fish and a lot of experience with peacock bass. Pure bred and wild caught are two different things. Pure bred can be a pure bred of man made strain, like a pure bred french bulldog., which does not exist in the wild. Its bred through thousands of years of selective breeding, in breeding to obtain.
Wild caught, also have different meanings. Wild caught fish are also known to hybridze as well. For all we know, that could be how some new species are developed. Previously thought hybrids were not viable, but rays have proved that "scientific theory" wrong. many of the larger guapote cichlids, cichlasoma from central america randomly hybridize. To the splitter scientists, each time they find a few looking one they'd call it a new specie. Maybe our definition of specie is not accurate, many fish are closer related than they are seperated?
Technically, F1, off springs of wild fish F0, are still wild fish right? Only difference is that they were born in captivity, but the parents are wild selected mates that grew up in the wild. Or how about transplanted fish? like peacock bass in Florida, or how about Hawaii? Generations of them, have bred and lived in the "wild"...
Or how about Azuls bred in ponds near the river in Brazil, are they wild or captive bred? People just catch the fish, throw them in pens by the river and raise the fry.
I've personally seen the so called duck billed bahia's parents, which the parents don't have duck bills and have amazing red and gold, which is not found in any other kelberi pairs! Maybe the F1, and F2, due to diet, and water, become duck billed. Realize how we are raising fish on artificial foods, fast growth rate. Possibly some fish in the wild take a few years to reach sexual maturity due to limitations of food and seasons. Where in a fish tank, they get 2-3 meals of nutritionally packed pellets daily. also in the wild they hunt for food, here food drops on their heads. Many factors., just like Kendragon said, many factors influence how a fish's final out come.
So what is it that we desire? A rare color morph? a rare wild variety? If I found a black peaock bass in the wild I bet people would go gaga over it as well. Now that we have bahia, too much gold, we want more black on it. Like black rays, we don't want black, then black is not black enough, then we want more white, then white is not white enough. Eventually we'll end up with a pure white ray with just a few black blotches, wouldn't that be cool? and a jet black peacock bass with red occeli, and red eyes, oh YEAH!
Wild caught, also have different meanings. Wild caught fish are also known to hybridze as well. For all we know, that could be how some new species are developed. Previously thought hybrids were not viable, but rays have proved that "scientific theory" wrong. many of the larger guapote cichlids, cichlasoma from central america randomly hybridize. To the splitter scientists, each time they find a few looking one they'd call it a new specie. Maybe our definition of specie is not accurate, many fish are closer related than they are seperated?
Technically, F1, off springs of wild fish F0, are still wild fish right? Only difference is that they were born in captivity, but the parents are wild selected mates that grew up in the wild. Or how about transplanted fish? like peacock bass in Florida, or how about Hawaii? Generations of them, have bred and lived in the "wild"...
Or how about Azuls bred in ponds near the river in Brazil, are they wild or captive bred? People just catch the fish, throw them in pens by the river and raise the fry.
I've personally seen the so called duck billed bahia's parents, which the parents don't have duck bills and have amazing red and gold, which is not found in any other kelberi pairs! Maybe the F1, and F2, due to diet, and water, become duck billed. Realize how we are raising fish on artificial foods, fast growth rate. Possibly some fish in the wild take a few years to reach sexual maturity due to limitations of food and seasons. Where in a fish tank, they get 2-3 meals of nutritionally packed pellets daily. also in the wild they hunt for food, here food drops on their heads. Many factors., just like Kendragon said, many factors influence how a fish's final out come.
So what is it that we desire? A rare color morph? a rare wild variety? If I found a black peaock bass in the wild I bet people would go gaga over it as well. Now that we have bahia, too much gold, we want more black on it. Like black rays, we don't want black, then black is not black enough, then we want more white, then white is not white enough. Eventually we'll end up with a pure white ray with just a few black blotches, wouldn't that be cool? and a jet black peacock bass with red occeli, and red eyes, oh YEAH!
Look up cichla in Singapore and look up cichla vendors from Singapore. If you know anything about cichla, then you will know most of the cichla from there are wild caught from there rivers. A mass mix of this and that bass, but calling them a pure bred??? Is bs to me. But not some seasoned cichla keepers.
You can keep your second hand bass bs. Captive bred better then wild. It's obvious you haven't kept wild bass before.
Prime example: bahias.
The wild ones out of Taiwan looks nothing like there offspring's with their duck billed faces.
As for me saying that a country miss labels there bass, I get countless email, pm from Singapore asking me/us to ID there bass. I'm not bounded just to mfk, I'm also a active member to other forums to.
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Now I'm gonna keep him/her for life because it doesn't make sense to sell at all. I dread to think how am I gonna cope when they all hit 20".