Ich Help Urgent!!!! Please help!!!!

[we4wieners]

Just to add to point 4, it may also dye your silicone a different color...


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Again, I just went through this. I USED the dye based products, Kordons Rid Ich. I had a very advanced stage of Ich. I dosed the rid ich exactly as directed and it cleared up my tank in 7 days and I continued for 10 days. I performed 30%W/C's every day and never lost an ID shark, I have 2, or clown loach. I lost 1 clown loach to the ich bcause it was so far advanced. I also increased my temps in the tank. All my scaleless tankmates made it. I agree, do heat and salt first. If no success, my suggestion is to use Rid Ich. Coppersafe is a great product but its remnants remain in the tnak for quite some time. Scaleless fish and inverts will struggle.

 

[ecoli73]

Clown loaches are not sensitive to copper. Once you get copper level correctly, it works for a long time and will not breakdown that easily. Obviously not to be used in shrimp or snail tanks...


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[majorhavok]

Again, I just went through this. I USED the dye based products, Kordons Rid Ich. I had a very advanced stage of Ich. I dosed the rid ich exactly as directed and it cleared up my tank in 7 days and I continued for 10 days. I performed 30%W/C's every day and never lost an ID shark, I have 2, or clown loach. I lost 1 clown loach to the ich bcause it was so far advanced. I also increased my temps in the tank. All my scaleless tankmates made it. I agree, do heat and salt first. If no success, my suggestion is to use Rid Ich. Coppersafe is a great product but its remnants remain in the tnak for quite some time. Scaleless fish and inverts will struggle.

I too just went through this and lost every loach. Kordon Rid Ich did nothing for me, in fact if anything it made it worse because the water quality dips so much dumping that brown stinky crap in your tank.

Truthfully I think all the desperation moves I tried are what doomed my loaches. They were already stressed by the Ich and I was doing something new every few days watching them get sicker and sicker and kept thinking the next thing I tried would be the miracle cure. In hindsight I think I should have just raised the temp, stepped up the w/c's and vacuuming and not fussed over it so much. In the end I was doing so much water changes and removed substrate to make cyst removal easier etc that I upset the cycle on the tank. Blah.. live and learn I guess. I think it's best to go the simple route and make sure you don't make things worse and hope they pull through.

 

[karaig19]

I too just went through this and lost every loach. Kordon Rid Ich did nothing for me, in fact if anything it made it worse because the water quality dips so much dumping that brown stinky crap in your tank.

Truthfully I think all the desperation moves I tried are what doomed my loaches. They were already stressed by the Ich and I was doing something new every few days watching them get sicker and sicker and kept thinking the next thing I tried would be the miracle cure. In hindsight I think I should have just raised the temp, stepped up the w/c's and vacuuming and not fussed over it so much. In the end I was doing so much water changes and removed substrate to make cyst removal easier etc that I upset the cycle on the tank. Blah.. live and learn I guess. I think it's best to go the simple route and make sure you don't make things worse and hope they pull through.

welcome to the club.. but sorry to hear about your lose. I can already feel my largest giving up hope. All i got left in me is a water change and pray that when i get home tonight they got better.... temp at 87.6......carbon filter put back in...... it did dye the silicone blue but its just a growout tank.

 

[majorhavok]

welcome to the club.. but sorry to hear about your lose. I can already feel my largest giving up hope. All i got left in me is a water change and pray that when i get home tonight they got better.... temp at 87.6......carbon filter put back in...... it did dye the silicone blue but its just a growout tank.

Sorry, I meant Kordon Ich Attack.. Never tried Rid Ich. I was like "Blue? huh.. That stuff is a nasty brown liquid"

Yeh, I was bummed for a while. In fact I haven't replaced them and won't until I get my new 125 corner tank built and established before I try another group loach purchase.

 

[karaig19]

Sorry, I meant Kordon Ich Attack.. Never tried Rid Ich. I was like "Blue? huh.. That stuff is a nasty brown liquid"

Yeh, I was bummed for a while. In fact I haven't replaced them and won't until I get my new 125 corner tank built and established before I try another group loach purchase.

It sucks to have to watch your fish die but hopefully they bounce back...

 

[majorhavok]

It sucks to have to watch your fish die but hopefully they bounce back...

My other fish never got a spot, just the loaches. lol. Most selective Ich outbreak in history. heheh

 

[we4wieners]

I too just went through this and lost every loach. Kordon Rid Ich did nothing for me, in fact if anything it made it worse because the water quality dips so much dumping that brown stinky crap in your tank.

Truthfully I think all the desperation moves I tried are what doomed my loaches. They were already stressed by the Ich and I was doing something new every few days watching them get sicker and sicker and kept thinking the next thing I tried would be the miracle cure. In hindsight I think I should have just raised the temp, stepped up the w/c's and vacuuming and not fussed over it so much. In the end I was doing so much water changes and removed substrate to make cyst removal easier etc that I upset the cycle on the tank. Blah.. live and learn I guess. I think it's best to go the simple route and make sure you don't make things worse and hope they pull through.

Sorry, about your loaches. The feeling of losing them sux! from the research Ive done Ich Attack is worthless....completely! Its sold as a natural remedy. As we all know the only natural treatment is heat and salt. The Rid Ich was a huge success. I did exactly what it directed me to. Did a 35-40% water change every morning prior to dosing. PITA...but it worked. I agree in high heat and salt with WC's. I panicked due to my loaches outbreak....I was afraid to wait for heat and salt. Though I lost this one, the others survived.

 

[MonsterMinis]

I too just went through this and lost every loach. Kordon Rid Ich did nothing for me, in fact if anything it made it worse because the water quality dips so much dumping that brown stinky crap in your tank.

Truthfully I think all the desperation moves I tried are what doomed my loaches. They were already stressed by the Ich and I was doing something new every few days watching them get sicker and sicker and kept thinking the next thing I tried would be the miracle cure. In hindsight I think I should have just raised the temp, stepped up the w/c's and vacuuming and not fussed over it so much. In the end I was doing so much water changes and removed substrate to make cyst removal easier etc that I upset the cycle on the tank. Blah.. live and learn I guess. I think it's best to go the simple route and make sure you don't make things worse and hope they pull through.

This is what most people learn in the end... and OP GL with your guys.. its hard to "wait" but bombing the tank.. and its biological system with any major stressors.. meds,salt..ect... ( both of which can and will kill your beneficial bacterial colony and force you to deal with not just disease but poor water quality) ime this is how fish die.. not from the diease...

raise the temp
water change as much as you feel your fish can handle the stress. 25% daily is ideal or more.

Ick has a 1 month life cycle give or take.. so keeping water temps high for a few weeks is ideal. the lil' buggers don't appear over-night thought it may seem so sometime, so don't expect it to clear up over night. 3-5 days and you should see noticable improvement... also take the time to feed your fish high quality foods ect.. just like when we're sick keeping their strength up will only help. this doesn't mean to stuff them full as they metabolize differently then we do.. but small feedings often seem to help instead of most people 1x2x a day good sized feeding. feed the same amount they normally get but spread it out abit and add abit more if they want it.

EDit: the pictures above are what I know as velvet not ick... similar treatments seem to work on it but its nastier then Ick. I also do a low dose of ani-bacterial/fungal to clear that stuff up.

 

[we4wieners]

This is what most people learn in the end... and OP GL with your guys.. its hard to "wait" but bombing the tank.. and its biological system with any major stressors.. meds,salt..ect... ( both of which can and will kill your beneficial bacterial colony and force you to deal with not just disease but poor water quality) ime this is how fish die.. not from the diease...

raise the temp
water change as much as you feel your fish can handle the stress. 25% daily is ideal or more.

Ick has a 1 month life cycle give or take.. so keeping water temps high for a few weeks is ideal. the lil' buggers don't appear over-night thought it may seem so sometime, so don't expect it to clear up over night. 3-5 days and you should see noticable improvement... also take the time to feed your fish high quality foods ect.. just like when we're sick keeping their strength up will only help. this doesn't mean to stuff them full as they metabolize differently then we do.. but small feedings often seem to help instead of most people 1x2x a day good sized feeding. feed the same amount they normally get but spread it out abit and add abit more if they want it.

EDit: the pictures above are what I know as velvet not ick... similar treatments seem to work on it but its nastier then Ick. I also do a low dose of ani-bacterial/fungal to clear that stuff up.

I agree. I believe it may be velvet also. I was working with the storm and was not home for a few days and I came home to this. The rid ich treated it, but I do believe it to be velvet also. The other loaches had some spots on them and one much more than the others. However, they all cleared up. Ill dose some ant-bacterial stuff today...suggestions as to what you use?