Could a Frontosa mix in with these SA/CA's?

[Dial92]

You all wish you had piranhas! jk

But seriously why doubt someone else's first hand accounts, that is the same as calling them a liar.... That is unless their un reputable people...



Give them enough space and they will have their own territory.
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[Fish on Fire]

you callin my unreputable? lol

Your front looks like it is still really small compared to the other fish and so they don't really see him as a huge threat and therefore don't put too much effort in defending their territory against him. Also, neither Oscars nor JDs can even come close to comparing to the destructive power and aggression of a big bruiser blackbelt cichlid, until you've kept them you really have no idea what they are capable of doing once their aggressive/territorial side kicks in. You're mistaken if you think that a blackbelt's aggression won't surface in a 90 gallon tank with 4 other fish to pick on that can't even compare to it in destructive power.

 

[Azedenkae]

Guys guys relax. If you guys read through the first page most of the replies is saying no because of the tank size and the Front versus Blackbelt, not because of African versus American. It's pretty much established by now that one can keep Americans and Africans together. The issue is just the potential aggression, and lack of tank space possibly.

 

[Miguel]

Guys do not know how to relax, Azedenkae, period.

If i would mix a ca with an African, it would def be with Fronosas.

But, to the Op: you have space for one Frontosa, eventaully two, and they live better in groups.

To have space for those fish ou would have to get rid of all the others. Because what ou asked is too much fish in a too samll gallonnage.

 

[ecoli73]

Yes they can Mix, stop listening to these people who have never done it. I have 10 large fronts with all types of fish and with my stingrays, never an issue at all.

In a 90 gallon?


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[Aquanero]

I wouldn't do it for a few reasons. I don't like to mix new and old world cichlids but that's just my perferance. As for the Fronts they are great fish but should be kept in groups of no less than four, 1 male and 3 females. They are also deep water nocturnal feeders that really like dark tanks. The nices set up I've seen was about 10 fish in a 300 gallon tank which used a combination of Actinic and 12K lighting on a timer with the 12K on for a few hours for viewing and the actinics 620/640 nm on for a longer period to duplicate the feeding times of the fish. One front is doable but not advisable for the long term well being of the fish. I would aslo add IMO 90 gallons is too small for what you perpose.

 

[tiger15]

Mixing Africans and CA is not an issue, the size of the tank is. Many posters told you not to do it based on theory, I am telling you based on experience as demonstrated in my 125 gal below:

http://youtu.be/rpZDYCsZ_fM

The Synspillum you see in the 125 gl tank is docile, but not always that way. When he was in a 75 gal, he would not leave the Green Terror alone because he did not get enough personal space. His demeanor changed completely when I moved the fish to a bigger tank. Black Velt and Syns are both Vieja speices with mild temperament, but only if you provide them with enough personal space.

I kept a large male Frontosa in a 75 gal tank with haps and Green Terror before. The Fronsosa had always been a docile fish and they got alone well untill he reached 12 inch. The 75 gal was too small for him, and without any warning, he suddently turned aggressive at his tankmates. He was not a psycho to go after every fish, but one at a time. Being a large and powerful fish, it didn't take much of his effort to kill his targets. So I picked up dead fish a few weeks apart, still wondering if he was the murderer. Utimately,I could only keep him alone in the 75 gal.

So you can grow those fish together for a while, but prepare in one or two years you have to separate them or move them to a bigger tank.

 

[dogofwar]

90g tank is too small.

The blackbelt is probably the biggest issue. Take it out and it will work for awhile.

Matt

 

[RD.]

So could I add a Frontosa to this mix without issue?

-blood parrot
-very docile black belt
-EBJD
-4 loaches

Short answer - not if you value the long term health of your fish.


Long answer -

Real answer is with a big enough tank and captive bred fish, anything is possible. However, we're talking about a 4' footprint here, not something that's 6'+. Thus, for life, the answer is no. The blackbelt cichlid would take over that tank for itself as a full grown fish at 12+ inches and probably even earlier than that. The other fish will always be stressed out and eventually end up dead at some point.

A Vieja maculicauda has no business in a 90 gallon, mixed with ANY of the fish listed in your stock list. Anyone that suggests otherwise needs to have their head examined.

 

[BC in SK]

Black Velt and Syns are both Vieja speices with mild temperament

IME, syns are mild mannerred (other then towards their own kind). But I really can't agree that black belts have a mild temperment. Of course every fish is an individual with individual temperment and that can change over time. Kept a few blackbelts and syns over the years so i have something to compare the two species(1st blackbelt was in the mid '80's, ordered from the ACA trading post).

IME, at times, a male black belt's temperment isn't far off from an RD/Midas. They can be real bullies. I know this is a tank with 2 pairs, but the blackbelts come right into the convict's area and start cleaning a rock, like they are going to lay eggs with convict fry swimming all over on top http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z116/Bern-C/?action=view&current=nov232008125gal006.mp4 2 years later the grandson of these blackbelts killed the male convict in this video. At 6", 105g, my male convict got the snot beat out of him by a male blackbelt, 7", 122g........I guess the con didn't have a suffecient enough agility advantage over a male black belt, just a little larger then him.

Anyways, as most have mentioned, a 90 is too small for this kind of mix. Regardless of how well a frontosa can defend itself when pushed (?), I would think you would be better off mixing with something smaller and less aggressive like a rainbow cichlid(?).