Zero Nitrates, Water Changes.......Why?

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Bderick67

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As I sit here contemplating my upcoming 200 or so gallon water change today. I wonder why, do my fish really need this? My tank sits in the 10-20ppm range for nitrates, I skipped a weekly WC a couple weeks ago and the tanks was still only at a solid 20ppm, gotta love those pothos. I think of my plans to expand my system to over a thousand gallons with hydroponic type filtration this summer. If I do acheive zero to ultra low nitrate levels, would my fish be deprived with the absences of water changes?

I have a similar thread that I put forth about five years ago, a planted tank with zero nitrates.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?50003-Water-Changes-Why

Looking at that thread the lack or absence of WCs was more geared towards what the plants needed. But what about the fish? What kind of dissolved solids, hormones or mineral build up is there? How will it effect the fish? I know the "salties" will go months, even years without WCs. But with added filtration such as refugium and protein skimmers what are the salt water fish benefitting from that the fresh water fish don't get without this type filtration?

I have my thoughts and reasons, but would like to hear from others, maybe even changing my opinions. So lets hear it
 
Go for it, setup your system as you want and just top it off all the time. If you really want to see the pros and cons you should setup 2 tanks side by side and try it.
 
I would think to replenish minerals and such some salt would help that aspect but if your tanks are heavily/moderatley stocked i would think growth inhibiting hormone levels would start to get to high after a few weeks or so, maybe someone can work how many gallons per fish you need to take out these hormones. Too bad there isnt a test kit to prove the validaty of it.


And yes pothos are amazing

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women?! pleeze. you're like one of my grandsons. I can't even visualize you thattaway, it's just wrong.
I forgot all about NLS.

you might wanna cut back on your jet fuel intake.


http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?504763-Cheap-plants-less-nitrate!-POTHOS
 
Go for it, setup your system as you want and just top it off all the time. If you really want to see the pros and cons you should setup 2 tanks side by side and try it.

Go for what? I really haven't proposed anything short of my plans for this summer and a "what if" scenario of those plans. There is a vast amount of knowledge and experiences available in the here and now. Don't see the benefit for my fish of doing a long term side by side comparison.

This discussion, I would hope sway some readers to believe there is still an importance for water changes. Not just topping off their pothos driven tanks, due to the low nitrate levels.
 
I think it depends on the stock levels more than anything. I don't see a reason why you couldn't just top it off or do a small 10% water change every week if the levels stay consistently low. The main goal for our fish is clean water, isn't it? The only reason I propose to do a 10% change is because like previously stated, we need to replenish electrolytes and minerals that are lost due to evaporation. I hope I make sense?
 
I would think to replenish minerals and such some salt would help that aspect but if your tanks are heavily/moderatley stocked i would think growth inhibiting hormone levels would start to get to high after a few weeks or so, maybe someone can work how many gallons per fish you need to take out these hormones. Too bad there isnt a test kit to prove the validaty of it.
Well there may be, I believe some of the members with planted tanks test their TDS(total dissolved solids) though this don't test hormones. What it does test for, well is this potentially harmful for your fish? Many of the planted tank guys actually add nitrates along with other trace elements to there tanks. What minerals or trace elements can build up and what could be the consequences of this?
 
I think it depends on the stock levels more than anything. I don't see a reason why you couldn't just top it off or do a small 10% water change every week if the levels stay consistently low. The main goal for our fish is clean water, isn't it? The only reason I propose to do a 10% change is because like previously stated, we need to replenish electrolytes and minerals that are lost due to evaporation. I hope I make sense?

Minerals do not evaporate, they will build up over time with small water changes or just topping off. What will this do to the health of the fish, the overall health of the system? This is the knowledge I seek.
 
Minerals do not evaporate, they will build up over time with small water changes or just topping off. What will this do to the health of the fish, the overall health of the system? This is the knowledge I seek.

+1


We need a scientist,i think tomothy is one, maybe with rockets but hey hes still gotta be smart!


And what exactly are growth inhibiting hormones? A compound?element?

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Go S.Vettel #1 RB8 3X WDC!!!!!!!!!


women?! pleeze. you're like one of my grandsons. I can't even visualize you thattaway, it's just wrong.
I forgot all about NLS.

you might wanna cut back on your jet fuel intake.


http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?504763-Cheap-plants-less-nitrate!-POTHOS
 
Yes there are some really smart fellas here on MFK. I can use the "search" function or "google", surprised someone hasn't suggested that yet:shakehead This usually good for building a foundation of knowledge, but generally only answers the "what" and not the "why". I've been hung up on protein skimmers here as of late, with research you get terms like amino acids and proteins and redux, but what are these terms in relation to my fish? Protein skimmers are generally thought of as not needed with freshwater because of large WCs, but what if without WCs because of Pothos(hydroponics) could this make protein skimmers effective, beneficial or even necessary?
 
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