That's a nice healthy environment for a fish
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removing sting ray barbs
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That's a nice healthy environment for a fish
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x2.. while alot of the breeders ect will often trim barbs to ship rays ect... its from my own experinces not a practice used in day in and out because you're more liekly to get stung trying to move a ray ect then just leaving it be in general... That being said... Zoodivers experiences ect aren't wrong.. he knows what he's talking about.. and what he's doing.. he also has medical staff nearby incase something happened during a de-barbing i'm sure for both the animal and himself.
IMO if the OP is seriouse about doing this he should do more research on it and weight the pros and cons. to himself and the fish.. and personally i'de train the fish to come to you before trying to net them out and de-barb them.. imo op you have the idea reversed.
Personally I don't think "handleing" fish is healthy for them in large amounts... stingrays are no different really imo then other fish in reguards to this.. we tell people all the time not to "pet your fish" but then zoos and aquariums turn around and create these touch-ponds. I too personally find them unethical and borderline animal abuse.
I know a place you could get an electric eel from, how about you give that a try! Come on step step it up alittle! I didn't know children could get alcohol now adays.
There is actually a big difference between rubbing/touching fish and elasmobranchs (sharks/rays) biologically which is why you see zoos/aquariums use them for interaction. The surface of the skin on marine rays used in touch pools is covered in dermal denticles - not scales and slime coat. It's the slime coat that we worry about damaging on a fish, so we aren't breaking the 1st level of protection given by their immune system. Dermal denticles are triangular shaped 'teeth' that lock together. They are much stronger and able to handle the contact. FW rays differ in that the denticles are not are ridged and much smaller as an adaptation to their natural environment. One of the many reasons facilities don't set up FW ray touch pools. Marine rays are generally much hardier physically - which is what the OP was asking about. It's also one of the reasons you don't see a lot of medical issues externally with marine rays. The outside layer is much better adapted to protect the animal.
wow!! funny how a simple question can turn into such a slamfest.. my main reason for this was because i have children and have a social life.. You know how children and friends can be even when you tell them not to go near or touch something... last thing i need is a lawsuit cause someone got too nosey
WOW I never saw any of this as a slam fest just an information exchange..... slightly defensive why?
I can see why it looks like a 'slamfest'. I think what we are seeing is the difference between options/emotions and facts when it comes to what is/isn't ok for the animals.
A lot of people are against touch pools because of how they feel (which is fine) - but usually there is no physical / biologically based reason for touch pools for rays to be negative environments for the animals.
A lot of people are against touch pools because of how they feel (which is fine) - but usually there is no physical / biologically based reason for touch pools for rays to be negative environments for the animals.
Electric catfish is better since the eel can bite. Guys don't hate and plus the fish is well cared for. He only goes into the 10 gallon for a few hours unless we pass out.
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why don't you go hug a tree or something, at one time dogs and cats were considered a danger to the public as well. Do you let your cat go around and tear up your furniture or do you de-claw it? Guys like you make it not fun to come on forums!!
