What makes a "Quality" EBJD?

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I have been searching and can't find anything about this. What traits makes a quality male EBJD? I am sure everyone thinks a bit differently but lets hear it.

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Other than color or health it's about not having an odd shape or eye deformities imo. Some breeding strains of EBJD seem to be more robust than others, so finding a breeder with a quality strain makes a difference imo, as some have either just been fortunate or have really tried to produce a relatively healthy strain of EBJD.
 
'Quality' has a very diverse definition, as you would seem to know. It really is in the eye of the beholder, what 'quality' is. Some people actually consider the odd shape of the EBJD what makes and EBJD stand out and look amazing. In my opinion 'quality' has more to do with the quality of life, and therefore it does not matter what the traits are - unless it in someway affects the health of the fish. With that said, it's hard to determine with EBJDs, because a 'quality' EBJD may just be one with less issues, rather than no issues. So yeah, a 'quality' EBJD is all about one that's not 'weak', imo. One that doesn't so easily succumb to bloat or other diseases, one that doesn't die of competition easily, one with an alright growth rate, etc. etc.
 
Healthy = Quality? I can agree with that to an extent. Healthy fish can have physical deformities.

What about the color side of 'Quality'? What is most desired and what is frowned upon? I made a recent purchase of a ~4" male for 12 bucks because the breeder didn't feel he is a quality fish. He lacked the black markings he looked for. To me I really like the solid blue fish.

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I think the color aspect really is in the eye of the beholder like you said he was going for the black markings, where you like the solid blue. I'm not sure there really is for lack of a better word an industry standard. A lot of things come to personal preference especially because it's a line bred fish - people will breed different things out of the lines.
 
EBJDs are the result of a semi-lethal recessive gene mutation that reduces the typical pigmentation of the fish, giving rise to the truly-sweet electric-blue colouration. They are a natural variant, however, they aren’t found in the wild because the weaker blue fry do not survive. The double-dose of the blue gene causes the EBJD to grow much more slowly and become a tad less nasty than its wild-type counterpart. As a result, blue fry must be carefully separated from their black brothers and sisters and raised in isolation in order to survive. This was originally done by a fellow named Hector Luzardo in 1985. Slower growth also means that while your EBJD and JD juveniles may be the same size when you purchase them, they will be of radically different sizes within a few months. You will probably have to give your original EBJD some lead time to grow before getting him/her a mate.

To further complicate the issue, the inherent weakness of the EBJD means that if two EBJDs are mated together directly, while they will indeed produce 100% EBJD offspring, these offspring will be so weak, the pairing will almost surely also result in 100% dead offspring. So, how do we obtain blue offspring if we can’t use the blue fish to do it, you may ask? The answer lies in making use of blue-gene carriers, as was originally done when these fish were first discovered. The fish that carry the gene, but look like regular ol’ Jack Dempseys, are known as BGJDs, blue-gene Jack Dempseys.
 
For me a quality EBJD is healthy, has the body shape and appearance of a regular JD, just in that beautiful bright blue color. There are many variations in the blue color that they come in, that comes down to personal preference. Some people like a lighter blue fish and some people like a dark blue fish. I personally like them all as long as they have good body shape and are healthy! Any fish with deformities should never be bred, regardless of what kind of fish it is.
 
EBJDs are the result of a semi-lethal recessive gene mutation that reduces the typical pigmentation of the fish, giving rise to the truly-sweet electric-blue colouration. They are a natural variant, however, they aren’t found in the wild because the weaker blue fry do not survive. The double-dose of the blue gene causes the EBJD to grow much more slowly and become a tad less nasty than its wild-type counterpart. As a result, blue fry must be carefully separated from their black brothers and sisters and raised in isolation in order to survive. This was originally done by a fellow named Hector Luzardo in 1985. Slower growth also means that while your EBJD and JD juveniles may be the same size when you purchase them, they will be of radically different sizes within a few months. You will probably have to give your original EBJD some lead time to grow before getting him/her a mate.

To further complicate the issue, the inherent weakness of the EBJD means that if two EBJDs are mated together directly, while they will indeed produce 100% EBJD offspring, these offspring will be so weak, the pairing will almost surely also result in 100% dead offspring. So, how do we obtain blue offspring if we can’t use the blue fish to do it, you may ask? The answer lies in making use of blue-gene carriers, as was originally done when these fish were first discovered. The fish that carry the gene, but look like regular ol’ Jack Dempseys, are known as BGJDs, blue-gene Jack Dempseys.

The question wasn't "where did EBJD originate from and how does one produce EBJD?". I am looking for what traits people look for in them AKA 'Quality' fish.
 
The question wasn't "where did EBJD originate from and how does one produce EBJD?". I am looking for what traits people look for in them AKA 'Quality' fish.

I found it useful to understand exactly what it was that defines and leads to an EBJD. It may have been a waste you YOUR time, but I found it helpful since I was following the thread. I was curious to know what a quality EBJD is as well, but people's points seemed pretty subjective, so this gave some context for me to take peoples opinions in with.
 
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