I demand justice for Daniel AdkinsJr
- Thread starter Pyramid_Party
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Hello; It does appear that we have come to a sort of agreement, perhaps in a small area. I prefer to have no requirement to have to retreat from a threat from any place that I can legally be not just my home. I like to hope my judgment will be sound if I am ever confronted with a self defense choice. The big question, to me, is the sort of judgment people use when situations come up. I suspect that there are many more incidents where self defense is utilized in a righteous manner as opposed to the two we have been discussing. That many do not like the way a self defense verdict was upheld in the Zimmerman trial is understood.
A contention of mine is while some of the actions of Zimmerman and Martin during the incident reflected questionable judgment, that during the final stages there was legit self defense involved. As stated by others on this forum both Zimmerman and Martin could have done some things differently as events led up to the fatal moment. As I understand it Martin was out of school for some sort of problem, he could have made a different choice and maybe still have been in school. Zimmerman perhaps could have stayed in his car on that night. They could have simply talked to each other. Any number of different choices could have been made. While such things color how we feel about what happened and could be argued to have led to the final outcome, they do not so much matter in self defense. At some point one person crossed a line and became an attacker. That is where self defense starts.
As a hypothetical, my neighbor and I get into a verbal argument over some issue. We both get mad and cuss each other. We follow each other around for a while. One texts comments about the argument to a friend. So far no self defense is involved and each can still walk away. One chooses use physical force, pull a weapon or take some such life threatening action against the other and at that moment self defense can come into play. The one attacked can choose to do nothing or can take some measure to ward off the attack.
Don't mind him,he must have stumbled upon the lounge for the first time and as stated earlier,has no understanding of the concept of this section.
I was just kidding but also like you already said,its good that he doesn't call any shots as a moderator....there's enough censorship around here as it is.
Hello; I was on a couple of other fish forums for a while where the censorship was much worse. It is not as bad on this forum in comparison.
That is different because the previous case had witness testimony and evidence that supported the shooter's story. So far there is one witness who is not impartial backing up the shooter in this case and an impartial witness contradicting his statements. The evidence presented so far, obviously incomplete, also doesn't back up his version of what happened.
In this case the defendant's statements, judging only on what I've seen so far which is most certainly incomplete, don't back up a self defense or SYG claim for the use of deadly force because he was not in immediate fear for his or his girlfriend's life. My opinion based on the current evidence and witness statements is that he will likely be convicted of voluntary manslaughter, if the prosecutor asks for it, for use of excessive force used in self defense resulting in death.
Sorry, I apparently wasn't clear enough with the question. I said that his lawyer would instruct him to say what was necessary to get him the lightest sentence, or preferably off, possible. You responded that he would say what he had to and the jury would decide the outcome. My question, how is this different?, stems from that. How is what you said, other than fleshing it out because your assuming that a lesson in the justice system is needed, any different from what I said. Hopefully that clears up your confusion on that point.
I'm not arguing that he should get away with it, but that he might just as I feel Z did. I think anyone who resorts to deadly force as a first reaction, or because they purposely put themselves into that situation, should have the book thrown at them.
Here is another fine example of wrongful assumptions and overreaction.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-fatal-shooting-of-13-year-old-neighbor?lite=
