Personally I change water too often for it to be a benefit, but it's not to say they don't work. Just not my tool of choice.
Pothos is one of my tools and it works very well.
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How would you filter a 300g
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Personally I change water too often for it to be a benefit, but it's not to say they don't work. Just not my tool of choice.
Pothos is one of my tools and it works very well.
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Thats not 100% true. If you have the money screw the sump and get a bead filter. The pond filter is basically a canister filter which uses bio media for mechanical and biological filtration.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...ss-Aquarium-(1000-Gallons-for-Dummies)/page31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtgajS8ayFg
A simple back flush and its clean. The maintenance and the amount of media is unbeatable. No sump can compensate or even stand its ground compared to a bead filter.
Bead filters are great but you can't put heaters, plants and .....umm, fish in one can you? And I can mechanically filter down to 25 microns with a switch of a sock. 5 microns available
And they don't increase your system volume either. And cost...
Sump stands its ground quite well I think considering....... I have fish breeding in one of my sumps.
Don't get me wrong. Bead filters are great, but the flexibility a sump gives you still wins in many applications.
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And they don't increase your system volume either. And cost...
Sump stands its ground quite well I think considering....... I have fish breeding in one of my sumps.
Don't get me wrong. Bead filters are great, but the flexibility a sump gives you still wins in many applications.
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Im willing to bet there are some custom sumps with wet dry towers that are more effective overal, and like the last poster said. You cant put your heaters inside a bead filter. And from what i found. There pretty pricey.
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You can just put the heaters inline inside pvc on the outlet, heaters inside a tank isn't to hard to hide unless its a bare tank of course. But a tank that size its cheaper to heat the room rather than use heaters. Having a sump to a 1000gal would mean roughly 200 gal for a sump and 10 300 watt heaters which would break the bank.
Having 1000 gallons of water you don't really need anymore water volume. With a sump set up you should need a extra 200 gallons because you want to prolong the days to maintenance as in water changes.
With a flick of the wrist the bead filter cleans itself and after about 10 mins of it cleaning itself your good to go. Theres no need for more water volume when water changes are so simple. Not going under 3 tons of water alone dragging media out and rinsing it and putting it back which could take hours on a large tank.
As for having fish in a sump, I believe of having your filtration as filtration and tanks as tanks. Having empty tanks are a must for breeders as parents fight and need to be separated from each other and their fry from time to time as well. Bead filters are roughly cheaper in some cases if your aquarium is large and needs a 200 gallon sump.
And I said if cost isn't a option btw and for their effectiveness there about equal. Given the structure of both they keep ammonia and nitrite at 0 so there's no argument there.
I thought the op asked about how to filter a 300 gallon unless I misread the title. Not sure where the 1000 gallons came from.
And I don't ever pull out my media. Ever. Socks keep it nice and clean. 2 minutes to pull and replace. I do it on my food timer setting. I also choose to not see any mechanics inside my displays. I don't hide anything in a display when I have a sump and I don't do water changes on a drip system.
And a sump is NOT a filter. It is a place to put things you choose not to put in your main display, which often times includes filtration items but my fish don't fight in my sump either. As a matter of fact, the only empty tanks around here are my fry and growout tanks. All my breeding tanks are scaped and or planted. They are not a must for this breeder. To each his own but I do not keep bare breeders or use dividers. I just provide space.
Many ways to filter a tank and for me personally, sumps are the most effective way to approach it.
Nothing wrong with a bead filter as I said, but if I had do it again, it would start with a 75gallon sump. Which I have again and again. Building one right now as we speak and the sump is fully on display complete with 3d background, rocks, wood, plants and fish.
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"I thought the op asked about how to filter a 300 gallon unless I misread the title. Not sure where the 1000 gallons came from. "
Did you read the post I replied to and then my post...?
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Anything above 100 Gallon needs a sump..period.
You want an arowana in 300 Gallon? Sump...
And if you like keeping fish and DIY, then sure it's going to give you all you ever wanted to do.
Running my 100 Gallon of an 30 Gallon sump...for years now and I really don't bother to clean it anymore..it just runs
Thats not 100% true. If you have the money screw the sump and get a bead filter. The pond filter is basically a canister filter which uses bio media for mechanical and biological filtration.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/fo...ummies)/page31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtgajS8ayFg
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A simple back flush and its clean. The maintenance and the amount of media is unbeatable. No sump can compensate or even stand its ground compared to a bead filter.
I was replying to someone who said if you have a +100 gallon fish tank you need a sump. I have a feeding you are mis guided. I was using the 1000 gallons as an example to where you would use a bead filter instead of a sump. I believe you need to read more carefully. You have taken a conversation between two people and butted yourself in it stating all the negatives about a bead filter which is off the topic to start with.
You argue about not doing water changes as you're on a drip system but then argue the point of water volume.
You argue about heaters in the tank yet if you run a bead filter I assure you its a huge aquarium and your not going to use heaters as heating the room is far cheaper.
You're saying that a sump is NOT a filter. I disagree with that, a sump IS a filter. EVERY sump has at lest 3 chambers which aid mainly in mechanical and biological filtration.
I honestly don't know why you replied to my comment, I'm arguing that a aquarium that's +100 gallons does not need a sump. The first post you posted is refuting the pros and cons about a bead filter which I refuted. Leading to these further posts.
... really,
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"I thought the op asked about how to filter a 300 gallon unless I misread the title. Not sure where the 1000 gallons came from. "
Did you read the post I replied to and then my post...?
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Originally Posted by Luc70
Anything above 100 Gallon needs a sump..period.
You want an arowana in 300 Gallon? Sump...
And if you like keeping fish and DIY, then sure it's going to give you all you ever wanted to do.
Running my 100 Gallon of an 30 Gallon sump...for years now and I really don't bother to clean it anymore..it just runs
Thats not 100% true. If you have the money screw the sump and get a bead filter. The pond filter is basically a canister filter which uses bio media for mechanical and biological filtration.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/fo...ummies)/page31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtgajS8ayFg
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A simple back flush and its clean. The maintenance and the amount of media is unbeatable. No sump can compensate or even stand its ground compared to a bead filter.
I was replying to someone who said if you have a +100 gallon fish tank you need a sump. I have a feeding you are mis guided. I was using the 1000 gallons as an example to where you would use a bead filter instead of a sump. I believe you need to read more carefully. You have taken a conversation between two people and butted yourself in it stating all the negatives about a bead filter which is off the topic to start with.
You argue about not doing water changes as you're on a drip system but then argue the point of water volume.
You argue about heaters in the tank yet if you run a bead filter I assure you its a huge aquarium and your not going to use heaters as heating the room is far cheaper.
You're saying that a sump is NOT a filter. I disagree with that, a sump IS a filter. EVERY sump has at lest 3 chambers which aid mainly in mechanical and biological filtration.
I honestly don't know why you replied to my comment, I'm arguing that a aquarium that's +100 gallons does not need a sump. The first post you posted is refuting the pros and cons about a bead filter which I refuted. Leading to these further posts.
Ahh I see. My bad then, but I do agree that I prefer sumps for tanks over 100 gallons. I run them on everything from 90 on up. Totally see your point on heating rooms vs heaters.....I live in Florida so heaters are something that rarely gets used, but could totally see those up north preferring to heat a room.
That being said, I run 5 sumps and all are one single chamber. Not one has 3 chambers.......just a sock hanging off the side and bio sitting before my pump inlet so the EVERY sump has 3 chambers is a little off the mark. A sump is a container.......what you choose to put in it is up to you. Most use the sump as a filtration device, some for plants, some for a qt tank for fish entering a system or for fish needing a timeout of some sort. I do it often sometimes with 12"+ fish.
and the water volume, in my case......is for the fish....lol regardless of wether Im on a drip or not. I responded to your post because this statement is, in my opinion, is just not true.......
"The maintenance and the amount of media is unbeatable. No sump can compensate or even stand its ground compared to a bead filter."
