I got one of those about 3 weeks ago from my lfs. It was a freebee... and geez he's aggressive. My lfs told me that they are local fish from here in fla, so he couldn't sell him to me, so I got him free. He even tangles with my rtc which is 3x his size. I dunno how much longer my trc will tolerate him. Hopefully my rtc pond will be ready soon!