Gold Jack Dempsey and Turquoise Jewel (LOOK ALIKES)

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Just picked up this JD today. Never seen this variation in person, just recent pictures for a thread about crossing this and an electric blue JD. Anyways, snapped a pic of him next to my turquoise neon Jewel. Looking like they brothers from another mother...or cousins, lol. IMG_0820.JPGIMG_0821.JPG

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Wow... they do look alike.. and I was wondering that too What is that in the background
 
Hate to tell you this but the "gold" version are just washed out Jack Dempsey. They give them that name so they can still sell them. Its just poor genetics.
 
Rivers2k said:
Hate to tell you this but the "gold" version are just washed out Jack Dempsey. They give them that name so they can still sell them. Its just poor genetics.
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I don't know if it's "poor" genetics, but perhaps a mutated gene. Just a different color variant that has been selectively bred in captivity. It's likely that in the wild the white Dempsey would be at a disadvantage because it would stand out and not be able to use its normal adaptations (dark color, etc.) to hide from larger fish when it is young. Thus, not making it to adulthood and being able to reproduce and pass on that gene. Similarly, like white lions, white tigers and even white alligators who suffer from some type of (leucism - a condition in animals characterized by reduced pigmentation. Unlike albinism, it is caused by a reduction in all types of skin pigment, not just melanin.) most animals with this condition are almost only seen in captivity as I had stated. Surviving in the wild is already tough when you are born normal, but this difficulty is compounded in the survival of the fittest, especially when you have to rely on being inconspicuous at times(hunting), and not seem odd to the opposite sex(mating), and of course make it to adulthood by not sticking out like a sore thumb when you are young and vulnerable. If I was into buying normal brown lions and such, and came a across a white lion for the first time...poor genetics or not, I would buy it because it was different. Same reason I bought the Jack Demspey, it was different. And it wasn't a penny more than the "normal" Jack Demspeys, which by the way are almost surely inbred by breeders and also of poor genetics. Unless of course they are wild caught or come from different family lines. Either way, here is a link for a guy who was crossing these white Dempseys with the Electric Blues. Interestng read-
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?327353-Gold-JAck-Dempsey
 
rmkblades said:
I don't know if it's "poor" genetics, but perhaps a mutated gene. Just a different color variant that has been selectively bred in captivity. It's likely that in the wild the white Dempsey would be at a disadvantage because it would stand out and not be able to use its normal adaptations (dark color, etc.) to hide from larger fish when it is young. Thus, not making it to adulthood and being able to reproduce and pass on that gene. Similarly, like white lions, white tigers and even white alligators who suffer from some type of (leucism - a condition in animals characterized by reduced pigmentation. Unlike albinism, it is caused by a reduction in all types of skin pigment, not just melanin.) most animals with this condition are almost only seen in captivity as I had stated. Surviving in the wild is already tough when you are born normal, but this difficulty is compounded in the survival of the fittest, especially when you have to rely on being inconspicuous at times(hunting), and not seem odd to the opposite sex(mating), and of course make it to adulthood by not sticking out like a sore thumb when you are young and vulnerable. If I was into buying normal brown lions and such, and came a across a white lion for the first time...poor genetics or not, I would buy it because it was different. Same reason I bought the Jack Demspey, it was different. And it wasn't a penny more than the "normal" Jack Demspeys, which by the way are almost surely inbred by breeders and also of poor genetics. Unless of course they are wild caught or come from different family lines. Either way, here is a link for a guy who was crossing these white Dempseys with the Electric Blues. Interestng read-
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?327353-Gold-JAck-Dempsey
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Electric blue is a mutated gene and specially bred for that color. Its very difficult to breed for EBJDs and I am huge fan. These new "gold, white, and pink" JD are just normal jacks that have been inbred so much they don't have any coloring. They aren't specially breeding for them. Actually I guess some people are crossing them now, still it just stemmed from poor breeding. Its the same with the "chocolate" gold fish. just dull coloring. they slap names on them to fetch better prices. Look at feeder gold fish many of the are "chocolate".

I completely understand what you are saying about a rare gene but this isn't the case with these JDs They aren't similar to leucism or albinoism. These are produced because of poor reproduction farming and non selective breeding. Its not a "white lion" these are unfortunately very common these days. My local petco has a bunch of Jack dempseys I could easily sell as gold or pink but they are just normal bad colored JDs.

If people like them that is great my wife loves the chocolate gold fish. But I just want to call a spade a spade if you will.
 
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