1,000 fish killed at walmart

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In fact, there is no evolutionary ladder, every organism is evolved to do what it does, there is no hierarchy, and the life of one animal is no more valuable than the life of another.

Killing anything you dont need to kill is pretty evil, dont you think?

If they think it's okay to kill a bunch of fish, why not puppies? Why not kids?

I'm an extremist when it comes to things like this, yes. But I dont believe I'm wrong. Consideration for living things is a virtue that so many people these days lack, and it's sickening.

So if I go to your home, I'll discover you happily share your living space with cockroaches, rats, ants etc; and if you have a lawn, you would never allow things like weeding or even cutting the grass.

Actually I don't mind extremism all that much( since they are extremists and none of their ideas are going to be adopted) but most extremists don't really live the way their ideology calls to live.



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That's a pretty dangerous way to look at things, the world. It's also a logical extension of the attitude that has put the environment in the peril it's in today. There is nothing that puts humans on the top of the evolutionary ladder, and there is nothing that puts bugs at the bottom. In fact, there is no evolutionary ladder, every organism is evolved to do what it does, there is no hierarchy, and the life of one animal is no more valuable than the life of another.
Not really, if there is a 6 miles meteor in the sky...only Humans...only humans know their life is about to end. If a monkey, dog or fish look at it...sure it may scare them but they have no clue of the upcoming damage it will do. That's what puts us above them.

I'm not saying that gives us the right to disrespect animals but it still puts us in a class by ourselves.

Not hard to find people that treat their dog like a 'family member' that would kill a roach in a second.
 
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well, we all are in agreement then. I can dance around all I want and still come to the same statement, or I can just say it straight forward. sometimes I don't see a point in beating around the bush, rather just get to the point. again, either way i'll be making the same statement. it's not an easy dismissal. and it's not for the sake of argument. just being straight forward



I think discussions would go a lot more smoothly if everyone learned how to do that more often don't you think? although I have been entertained many times due to people spouting out the first thing that comes to mind



again, we don't have actual stats or studies to back up our statements but I disagree. I don't believe most humans that harm other humans start on animals. I actually believe the opposite. most humans that hurt others may have never tortured any bunnies or kittens. a small percentage probably started on animals.


but I agree that these guys need major motivation to never do something like this again

if the farce is with us, then master yoda you are
a worthy adversary is hard to find..most people around here are just loud ...this guy actually uses his brains
 
Lee, WTH? really just fabricate things apart from historical facts.
The thieves put people's very lives at risk. There were no buses to jump on out in the middle of uncivilized country, and no welfare to feed family or children when people were deprived of ability to plow their fields.
It was the thieves who had already disregarded human lives, not their victims.
Lest you think I'm making things up, I copy & paste below.
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"......... in the United States during the 19th century. During that time the Great Plains states, Texas, and other western states were sparsely populated and negligibly policed. As farmers tilled the land and migrants headed west through the Great Plains, their horses became subject to theft. Since these farmers and migrants depended on their horses, horse thieves garnered a particularly pernicious reputation because they left their victims helpless or greatly handicapped by the loss of their horses. The victims needed their horses for transportation and farming. Such depredation led to the use of the term horse thief as an insult, one that conveys the impression of the insulted person as one lacking any shred of moral decency."

that is actually still ON topic, just for realistic balance:
fishkeepers already feed other fish to their own pet fish. no way killing fish will be weighed on the same scale as torturing other animals by the judicial system. most likely the property value/loss would be prosecuted.
and TBH, a swift kill of fish is not on the "sociopathic scale" of torturing animals for sadistic pleasure (no matter how much you insist so), like psychos slowly carving cats up, setting dogs on fire or other such things. wack jobs enjoy that suffering.
Not everyone who kills something has the psycho-social makeup to move up the scale.

There is much imbalance in society now as to the "normative" views of what is acceptable, bad, and the worst end of the scale for people to do. and more so, for what others feel self-righteous being outraged about.
IMO.
if you go back and look at my post you are actually making my point for me .. people on the frontier valued horses more than people..because they needed them .....those laws didn't spring out of thin air...I was comparing the humans above all else theory to reality, that really is the basis of valuing humans above all else...also where in ANY of my posts Do I COMPARE killing these fish to the killings of other creatures .. EVERY one of my comparisons was in direct response to someone DEVALUING the life of the fish(or other creatures)..for their own twisted argumentative reality...you caught one post &twisted it inside out...
 
So if I go to your home, I'll discover you happily share your living space with cockroaches, rats, ants etc; and if you have a lawn, you would never allow things like weeding or even cutting the grass.

Actually I don't mind extremism all that much( since they are extremists and none of their ideas are going to be adopted) but most extremists don't really live the way their ideology calls to live.



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I said kill only as needed, not dont kill at all. Removing pests that are detrimental to your health counts as necessary in my book, Idk about yours. But my house has never had a problem with any of those.
 
Not really, if there is a 6 miles meteor in the sky...only Humans...only humans know their life is about to end. If a monkey, dog or fish look at it...sure it may scare them but they have no clue of the upcoming damage it will do. That's what puts us above them.

I'm not saying that gives us the right to disrespect animals but it still puts us in a class by ourselves.

Not hard to find people that treat their dog like a 'family member' that would kill a roach in a second.




Please explain why consciousness and awareness make us superior to other forms of life, rather than just making our species more adapted to the particular ecological niche we fill (or filled). Go on, I'll wait.
 
Not really, if there is a 6 miles meteor in the sky...only Humans...only humans know their life is about to end. If a monkey, dog or fish look at it...sure it may scare them but they have no clue of the upcoming damage it will do. That's what puts us above them.

I'm not saying that gives us the right to disrespect animals but it still puts us in a class by ourselves.

Not hard to find people that treat their dog like a 'family member' that would kill a roach in a second.
intelligence certainly has bread the thought of moral superiority into some...but NATURE ,,the great eqaulizer will eventually fix that ......species that ADAPT will end up valued ...and the human race lately is really trying to devalue itself ..TO PUT IT BLUNTLY .. as a species we ain't THAT special...my guess is that there is one waiting to take our place in a few million years
 
I said kill only as needed, not dont kill at all. Removing pests that are detrimental to your health counts as necessary in my book, Idk about yours. But my house has never had a problem with any of those.

I have no problem killing creatures that either WANT(humans included) to harm me..or by their existence jeopardize my health ...it's just survival
 
What almost makes me more angry than the fact that it was done, is that even if they catch those responsible, they likely will only get charged with criminal mischief, destruction of property, etc... legally, fish dont have rights.

If it was pushed though from Wal-Mart's lawyers that they killed fish that was being sold as pets they would get good jail time.
 
Please explain why consciousness and awareness make us superior to other forms of life, rather than just making our species more adapted to the particular ecological niche we fill (or filled). Go on, I'll wait.
Hold on, you are changing it to superior now. I'll stick with what you first said:

There is nothing that puts humans on the top of the evolutionary ladder
We are further evolved then any other species on this planet, because we are the only species to have consciousness and awareness. This puts us at the top of the 'evolutionary' ladder.
 
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