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Wow, no wonder you need to run a cold water drip to keep your tank from overheating.

Your pumps (assuming they are all submersible) are the equivalent of having a 1,150 watt heater on 24-7.

I disagree with the idea that running these high watt pumps are better than running more efficient pumps and having heaters make up the difference. The fact that you need to run a cold water drip to keep the tank from overheating shows that there is a lot of wasted energy.

Running more efficient pumps would definitely reduce your power bill, even if you had to rely on heaters to make up the difference to achieve your desired temps.

Not really if you add the pump watts and heater watts then running the higher watt pumps is less than the
heater and pump watts combined

It's what works best for you and how much you are expecting to pay on elec




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I have 6 tanks on my drip system all recirculating to one barrel where the drip is added. Each tank I have a 300 watt submersible heater in it. If I need to isolate a tank, I turn the dropper off and no worries about heating it. I'm using Fluval E Series heaters with built in digital temperature sensor and display. works great.


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I have 6 tanks on my drip system all recirculating to one barrel where the drip is added. Each tank I have a 300 watt submersible heater in it. If I need to isolate a tank, I turn the dropper off and no worries about heating it. I'm using Fluval E Series heaters with built in digital temperature sensor and display. works great.


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I drip to the main tank not sure if it makes any difference


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I have 6 tanks on my drip system all recirculating to one barrel where the drip is added. Each tank I have a 300 watt submersible heater in it. If I need to isolate a tank, I turn the dropper off and no worries about heating it. I'm using Fluval E Series heaters with built in digital temperature sensor and display. works great.


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Are you sure? When was the last time you checked?
I tried 6 different heaters at 6 different times and none have ever worked correctly.

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I get your point but it isn't entirely true, if the pumps total 1150w then its impossible for 1150w of heat to be produced as no energy would be left to move the water. Although I would imagine that a considerable percentage of that 1150w is being converted into heat energy.

It is true according the Beananimal's site; the action of the pump moving water generates heat/energy in an amount equal to the wattage that the pump consumes.

Q: How much heat does my submersible pump add to the aquarium?

A:For our purposes, almost 100% of the energy consumed by a submersible pump (mag-drive, powerhead, etc.) is converted to heat in the tank! The simple fact is that if you were to take a heater that consumed exactly 100W and a powerhead that consumed exactly 100W and placed them each in a 5 gallon bucket with a lid, both buckets would reach the same temperature in the same amount of time! Why? Much of the energy consumed by the pump is directly shed as heat into the water. What is left does work and that work (moving water) causes friction (water moving against the objects and walls of the tank), most of which is converted to heat in the tank. When attempting to calculate the heat load on your tank, you should add up the total wattage of all submersible pumps in the system!

Source: http://www.beananimal.com/articles/thermodynamics-for-the-aquarist.aspx

Not really if you add the pump watts and heater watts then running the higher watt pumps is less than the
heater and pump watts combined

It's what works best for you and how much you are expecting to pay on elec


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With all due respect, your equation is flawed.

You shouldn't add all the wattage of your heaters since they only come on for a small portion of the time whereas your pumps are running 24-7. Just because you have a 2,000 watt heater doesn't mean it's using 2,000 watts all the time. Pumps on the other hand are using energy all the time.

For example, during the coldest times of the winter, my heaters (1,800W) come on only about 20% of the time (5 hours per every 24 hour period) so that's the equivalent of 360 watts running 24-7. In other words, my tank requires the equivalent of a continuous 360 Watts of energy from my heaters to maintain 76F in the winter time. So it is more accurate to say that they are using 360 watts (not 1,800) when comparing them to what your pump draws, since the pumps are always using power, whereas heaters only draw power when the thermostat calls for heat.

There is no way that running more efficient pumps and relying on heaters to regulate your tanks temperature will increase your power bill, but you will likely see a reduction in your power bill if you run the most efficient pumps possible and rely on heaters to serve their function of regulating temps.

Your setup seems to work well for you, but to say that higher wattage pumps will reduce the total energy required to heat your tank is an incorrect statement.

The only reason I bring this up is because I have seen people on here say they chose a power hog of a pump because it will reduce their power bill in that their tank will require less energy to heat. This is false and during the warmer parts of the year can cause real problems with their tank overheating.

The amount of energy required to maintain any given temperature will require the same amount of energy, regardless of whether or not the energy comes from your pump or heater.


So I was right then I thought so but wasn't sure


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I’m pretty sure David was agreeing with me, at least if he knows anything about the laws of thermodynamics.
 
It is true according the Beananimal's site; the action of the pump moving water generates heat/energy in an amount equal to the wattage that the pump consumes.

Q: How much heat does my submersible pump add to the aquarium?

A:For our purposes, almost 100% of the energy consumed by a submersible pump (mag-drive, powerhead, etc.) is converted to heat in the tank! The simple fact is that if you were to take a heater that consumed exactly 100W and a powerhead that consumed exactly 100W and placed them each in a 5 gallon bucket with a lid, both buckets would reach the same temperature in the same amount of time! Why? Much of the energy consumed by the pump is directly shed as heat into the water. What is left does work and that work (moving water) causes friction (water moving against the objects and walls of the tank), most of which is converted to heat in the tank. When attempting to calculate the heat load on your tank, you should add up the total wattage of all submersible pumps in the system!

Source: http://www.beananimal.com/articles/thermodynamics-for-the-aquarist.aspx



With all due respect, your equation is flawed.

You shouldn't add all the wattage of your heaters since they only come on for a small portion of the time whereas your pumps are running 24-7. Just because you have a 2,000 watt heater doesn't mean it's using 2,000 watts all the time. Pumps on the other hand are using energy all the time.

For example, during the coldest times of the winter, my heaters (1,800W) come on only about 20% of the time (5 hours per every 24 hour period) so that's the equivalent of 360 watts running 24-7. In other words, my tank requires the equivalent of a continuous 360 Watts of energy from my heaters to maintain 76F in the winter time. So it is more accurate to say that they are using 360 watts (not 1,800) when comparing them to what your pump draws, since the pumps are always using power, whereas heaters only draw power when the thermostat calls for heat.

There is no way that running more efficient pumps and relying on heaters to regulate your tanks temperature will increase your power bill, but you will likely see a reduction in your power bill if you run the most efficient pumps possible and rely on heaters to serve their function of regulating temps.

Your setup seems to work well for you, but to say that higher wattage pumps will reduce the total energy required to heat your tank is an incorrect statement.

The only reason I bring this up is because I have seen people on here say they chose a power hog of a pump because it will reduce their power bill in that their tank will require less energy to heat. This is false and during the warmer parts of the year can cause real problems with their tank overheating.

The amount of energy required to maintain any given temperature will require the same amount of energy, regardless of whether or not the energy comes from your pump or heater.




I’m pretty sure David was agreeing with me, at least if he knows anything about the laws of thermodynamics.

I have 2kw of heaters and 1kw of pumps

Without the big pumps the heaters would probably turn on and off for 10 hours per day
So I think it would cost more to run heaters and smaller pumps
I have no evidence of this but that's what I have found

I'm running 1kw of pumps 24/7 which works out cheaper than running 2kw for 10 hours and the additional pump wattage


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