Takes for ever for my Umbee to grow

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I heard something before about hormones released multiple fish in a single tank, can keep some fish small. A long time ago, I grew out two angelfish from the same batch in a 20 gallon. One grew to almost twice the size of the other in a couple months. Both were eating the same food, and obviously same tank conditions. So I wonder if having your tank filled with so many fish is hormonally keeping them from growing to the expected rate? Just a thought
 
Lone individuals may grow larger, quicker, as there is no stress from conspecifics.

I recently posted the following in another discussion .....

In fish, stress causes an increase in both cortisol and glucose levels, which in turn affects growth levels in the stressed fish. Stress increases energy consumption, which is part of the reason that sub dominant specimens do not achieve the same growth as their superior dominant siblings. Elevated cortisol levels have also been shown to not just inhibit growth, but also inhibit digestion, energy storage, and reproduction.

But there can be many different factors that can affect the growth of a fish in a closed system. Diet, water quality, water temp, 02 levels, etc. And as Rocksor mentioned even pheromones can possibly affect certain species of fish.

Having said that, plenty of people grow out fish that demonstrate good solid growth in conditions far worse, and far more cramped, than what I'm reading by the OP. Think commercial fishing ponds/vats, where hundreds/thousands of juvenile fish are raised at a time. A handful of 5" in fish in a 145 gallon tank should hardly pose any type of hormone build up in the water considering the OP's WC schedule, but there might be cortisol (stress) issues involved that are suppressing growth.
 
Lone individuals may grow larger, quicker, as there is no stress from conspecifics.

I recently posted the following in another discussion .....

In fish, stress causes an increase in both cortisol and glucose levels, which in turn affects growth levels in the stressed fish. Stress increases energy consumption, which is part of the reason that sub dominant specimens do not achieve the same growth as their superior dominant siblings. Elevated cortisol levels have also been shown to not just inhibit growth, but also inhibit digestion, energy storage, and reproduction.

But there can be many different factors that can affect the growth of a fish in a closed system. Diet, water quality, water temp, 02 levels, etc. And as Rocksor mentioned even pheromones can possibly affect certain species of fish.

Having said that, plenty of people grow out fish that demonstrate good solid growth in conditions far worse, and far more cramped, than what I'm reading by the OP. Think commercial fishing ponds/vats, where hundreds/thousands of juvenile fish are raised at a time. A handful of 5" in fish in a 145 gallon tank should hardly pose any type of hormone build up in the water considering the OP's WC schedule, but there might be cortisol (stress) issues involved that are suppressing growth.

Thanks RD for yet another insightful post. I will be working on seperating the ones I still want to grow out more and I will get rid of the ones I don't.

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is it possible some strains are small. i have a batch that hardly grows. and another that keeps growing fast. all in the same tank. i gave away a few and same results.
 
is it possible some strains are small. i have a batch that hardly grows. and another that keeps growing fast. all in the same tank. i gave away a few and same results.

Yeah mine are from Chris aka WorldBelow07 but I got them off of this guy rich who got them from Chris. It was from his Mag X rio mag pair. The guy rich kept them in a 10 gallon for quite some time before they came to me so I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

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