Supa King Kong Parrot Bruiser......
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Thanks! There do have do have an draw to them, though it's them as grown that I'm really looking forward to. Hopefully some will turn into decent adults "Mammons".
They really do! You're right about saying things about aquatic aggression. I should've knocked on wood when I said about the aggression because they are chasing each other a bit, enough to tress me a bit. Though there's been no torn fins, missing scales(knock on wood) thus far still I hate seeing the chase and worrying it'll escalate as well as hate seeing two of them frequent the higher levels of the tank trying to escape the aggression. They aren't at the surface but higher then I usually see my cichlids so I worry. I'm with you I hate constantly moving fish around setting up new tanks for incompatible fish etc, etc. It makes the hobby less enjoyable to me. As for the goldfish, hey why not? I personally love Ranchu/Lionheads as well as some Orandas etc. If I have my way and manage to sell my aggressive stock I want to set up a fancy goldfish tank and a Pinoy Blue and Turkish Emerald Angelfish tank as well as the Red Mammon tank. I want quiet beauty to maintain not stress over.
They're imported from Taiwan from the Wan Nang Red Mammon King Kong Parrot Breeding Farm. I have a friend who imports/tranships these guys for me. He's in NY and I'd be happy to share the info with you, just let me know via pm and I'll give you his info. He also has Red Texas, Short Body FH's, Thaisilk, Kamalau, Turkish Emerald and Pinoy Angels.
Here's a vid of my "Red Mammons" between 4.5-6,7 inches....
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And a video of someone else who in Keith Chang in NY who has some adult "Red Mammon" from Wan Nang
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I think all hybrids are puke but more importantly, who comes up with the crazy names? That name made me click on the thread. So what makes it super and not just regular?
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I considered how I should respond before posting hopefully my putting thought into my response will be appropriate and clear.
1 This is the hybrid section, calling or saying you feel all hybrids are puke is unnecessary and offensive to those who do appreciate them. You're entitled to your opinion but do not need to go out of your way to come to a section of fish you dislike to post negative comments about said group of fish. Now if you would have simply stated you did not like my fish, that would have been different since I did ask for peoples opinions. How ever I did not ask for a critique of the entire group of fish featured in this section. Your actions thus could be interpreted as a violation of TOS in the form of attempted trolling but since I'm unsure of your intention(perhaps you misunderstood my question). I'll choose to assume it was simply a misunderstanding.
2 The names are no crazier then many fish names including scientific ones of naturally occurring fish. So why ask such a question here? Is it just to continue to try and belittle this group of enthusiasts and the fish they admire. For instance what made someone decide to rename some Herichythys into Nosferatu? Is that any less ridiculous then some of the hybrid names and the reason behind them? If your going to hate on a fish at least be consistent and fair when hating on them. Don't hate one group of fish when the group you do appreciate is guilty of the same.
3 I would think it's the people who create the strain who choose the names much like those who discover naturally occurring species or those who catalog them wind up choosing the names. I also believe that similarly the selection is based on the individuals preferences and their perspective. I would think this would be common sense but then again perhaps your question was rhetorical and was just another subversive jab at hybrids.
4 What makes them Super actually does have some sense to it believe it or not. These parrots are held to a higher standard then other parrot strains in terms of body shape, mouth structure, overall size and uniformity of color just to name a few. The mouth is not as misshapen as in Blood Parrots, the body is thicker and more square all around, the color on them tends to be more intense and unifrom and they also generally produce a nuchal hump that many find attractive. Since these are seen as superior qualities in Feng Shui and among other groups that admire these kinds of fish there is some logic to this strain being called Super King Kong Parrots. They are considered by those who like Parrots as superior specimens.
I hope what I said I did not come off as insulting or condescending but instead answered your questions. I also hope that with this information and points I gave you try to respect others as you would like us to respect you and that you choose not to belittle hybrid fish in the hybrid section again.
It's cool, I more or less stated what I did because I know it's something that people could get offended about. I actually thought that you said it causally rather then in an attempt to offend. I had hoped though that with Mo's acceptance that more people would be more open toward hybrids. I personally understand both sides. Many people aren't responsible and when you combine hybrids with that and naturally occurring species losing presence in their natural habitat it does seem like a recipe for destruction. I actually worry about the loss of purity of cichlids because to me there is a innate beauty to evolution and naturally occurring species are stunning in their own right and I worry about losing them to carelessness.
If that's the case, then why are you referring to these fish as "red mammon"? The first fish shown looks more like a sloppy amphilophus cross, than it does the strain of fish created by Mr. Wang at the Happy Breed farm in Taiwan, the original breeder & creator of the Red Mammon fish.
SKKP I could agree with, but Red Mammon, I don't think so.
I refer to them as Red Mammon because that is what they where sold to me as, was that unclear? I did assume because I posted the source who refers to themselves as a Mammon breeding farm that was clear but I could've been mistaken thinking everyone would naturally draw that conclusion. I also tried covering myself by "" the Red Mammon to denote the fact that I was uncertain they where true Mammon and figured this would indicate my uncertainty as to their lineage and that I was merely quoting the seller. I had hoped that wouldn't be over looked, I guess it was and it wasn't understood why I "" only Red Mammon. I even thought by nameing the thread Supa King Kong Parrot instead of Red Mammon I had covered myself enough, I guess not. A miscommunication, I just didn't realize I would have to be so thorough to be understood. As to where Wan Nang got his Mammon I do not know. Did he just create his own line and name them after Happy Breeds line hoping to profit off of Mr. Wangs stunning specimens and reputation? Did he buy actual Mammons and over breed them to mass produce his own line of Mammons? I don't know but I can look into it for you though if you'd like. Regardless as to the truth of the lineage of the fish it still makes my statement accurate. Regardless of the fish lineage he either created them or bought some Mammons and over bred them to create his own stock the name of the fish would have been chosen by their creator and is the reason I refer to them by said name.
I hope that clears any misunderstanding we may have had. And again I hope that didn't come off as nasty or condescending as it was not my intention. There are often intricacies in speech that don't play through as well over the internet.
So if I sell someone a piece of dog doo & call it a cuban cigar, that somehow makes it so?
Really? Is this the lesson we want to teach those new to the world of hybrid/flowerhorn fish? If so, IMO that's some pretty bizarre line of thinking, and counter productive to everything that this site stands for. Misinformation helps no one. And ya, I caught the quotes, my reading comprehension skills are intact, thanks. I just didn't find the use of the term acceptable, period, and simply added more confusion to a subject that to many members is already confusing enough. I thought that would have been obvious, I guess not?
As a mod on this forum I personally think that you should be held to a higher standard than the teenage kids who don't know better, so that you are educating, and not confusing those who truly don't understand what a true Red Mammon is, and where this specific breed originated. I'm assuming you have read the following thread, especially since you commented directly about that discussion in your second post.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?593908-New-Mammon-fry-2-5-
So why continue with the charade? Your fish are KKP (the first one shown isn't even that), and hey call them SKKP if you like, but Red Mammon they are not.
But I guess as posted in the last discussion, this is the internet where anyone can call anything, anything that they like.
Enjoy your "supa" new fish.
Really? Is this the lesson we want to teach those new to the world of hybrid/flowerhorn fish? If so, IMO that's some pretty bizarre line of thinking, and counter productive to everything that this site stands for. Misinformation helps no one. And ya, I caught the quotes, my reading comprehension skills are intact, thanks. I just didn't find the use of the term acceptable, period, and simply added more confusion to a subject that to many members is already confusing enough. I thought that would have been obvious, I guess not?
As a mod on this forum I personally think that you should be held to a higher standard than the teenage kids who don't know better, so that you are educating, and not confusing those who truly don't understand what a true Red Mammon is, and where this specific breed originated. I'm assuming you have read the following thread, especially since you commented directly about that discussion in your second post.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?593908-New-Mammon-fry-2-5-
So why continue with the charade? Your fish are KKP (the first one shown isn't even that), and hey call them SKKP if you like, but Red Mammon they are not.
But I guess as posted in the last discussion, this is the internet where anyone can call anything, anything that they like.
Enjoy your "supa" new fish.
First I'm not going to assume, I'll ask what you meant by "As a mod on this forum I personally think that you should be held to a higher standard"? Are you saying that I'm acting below my station? Because to err is human and thinking that a station makes someone perfect is folly. Everyone even the best of us err's and it makes us no less then anyone else.
That's not to say I am in error either. Thus far you have provided little info. on Mammons other then what is readily available on Happy Breeds site a first result when googling Mammons. Yet you speak as though you're an authority beyond reproach. Perhaps you are I don't know, I just know that if you are an authority or well versed in this hybrid line you don't share that knowledge here. Can you say for certain that my Mammons aren't true Mammons? Can you say that the Amphilophus Cross wasn't the product of two Mammons breeding? I personally know it's parentage. If it was what does it make it? How does that line of thinking equate down the line. Is an EBJD not a Jack Dempsey because it's coloration is so differen't? Or because it tends to be more fragile and smaller then regular jack Dempseys? The fact is you are definitely here attacking a statement with no proof to the contrary. If like me you can neither deny nor confirm whether these are Mammons how is your statement any more educational or responsible then my own. Perhaps you do have more info. then I but if you do why don't you share so other including myself may learn. If you truly cared about educating and clearing up confusion why do you bring nothing to the discussion?
Perhaps you just need to be asked so that you may enlighten us. What is a Red Mammon? Does it have to come from Happy Breed? Are ZZ's Flowerhorns only ZZ's if they came from the original creators strain? Does that equate to all hybrids? Or is it about fitting into certain standards? If so what are those standards for Red Mammon? Who decided those standards? Please tell me so that I may be responsible and pass on the info. when I ever have opportunity and correct myself here by pointing how I was in error.
By the way the most important trait of a Mod isn't his/her knowledge, it's his/her humility. The ability to step back and admit he/she might be wrong and be open to new info. so that he/she may better serve the community by growing. Now if your going to throw some knowledge other then a statement of those are not Red Mammons my way please do and I will gladly admit my error.
