Done with Eheim - sunsun review

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I'm a sunsun fan myself, I actually just received my third Sunsun today which is a 304B( 9 watt uv) rated at 525 gph. My first sunsun has been running for a couple of years now and I never had any issues with it. Strong output, catches lots of crap, and super quiet.....no leaks either. Take your time setting it up, make sure to lube the seals with Vaseline or some other safe lube and it should work great, also pre fill the canister to aid in priming.

I'm running two on my 303's on my Oscar tank along with a wet dry and they are performing great.
 
To be honest ill be happy if a cheapo chinese knockoff lasts a year or 2. I am however not happy with an expensive german built premium unit that doesn't last long.

This is my exact mentality. After decades of buying brand name products at top dollar, just to have a good percentage of them fail, I now will usually have no issues with taking a shot with "no-name", inexpensive products. And should they fail....not that big of a deal.

I'm a sunsun fan myself, I actually just received my third Sunsun today which is a 304B( 9 watt uv) rated at 525 gph. My first sunsun has been running for a couple of years now and I never had any issues with it. Strong output, catches lots of crap, and super quiet.....no leaks either. Take your time setting it up, make sure to lube the seals with Vaseline or some other safe lube and it should work great, also pre fill the canister to aid in priming.

I'm running two on my 303's on my Oscar tank along with a wet dry and they are performing great.

I've been running 2 of these 304B units for well over a year with no issues and I'm very content with them especially at a bargain $90 a piece. A fish buddy of mine also gave the 302 a try and now he owns 3 of these units.......no issues with any of his either.

I would also highly, highly recommend this, if you're looking for great mechanical filtration at a bargain price http://www.aquatraders.com/Aquarium-Canister-Filter-Odyssea-CFS-500-p/42044.htm
 
to compare an HoB with a canister is apples and oranges. tank should run a combo of both if anything a 55g or larger. this same for a sump, should be a combo of a HoB and a sump. Hob your mech filtration, AC110 best way to go, it has a higher turn over and filters the particulates, needs more cleaning but a breeze to clean, canister or sump should be you bio filtration, lower flow, larger bio filter media capacity. I suggest Sechem matrix. now on your point on the leakage, every time you open your canister do you lube the O-rings with food grade silicone O-ring lube? this is a must or the filter seals will fail. do not forget about the hose hookups not just the power head seals. my thoughts on the matter. good luck with new filters!!
 
just to give some math, ideally you want 5x turn over for a canister or sump. and 10x turn over for you HoB for tank size.
 
Cheap vs expensive...you simply cannot compare lets say Eheim to Tetra or something else..atleast Eheim classic series (pro series are way less reliable)..

If canister fails on your tank..lets say 300g tank..this is a freaking disaster if you are not at home to see leaking in time..
I rather pay 3x more for something that is in production for 40 years then something noname which can work from today to tomorrow..

Aquaristic hobby is no cheap when comes to good and reliable canister filter which can work for over 10 years with proper maintance.

And one more - canister arent meant to be mech filters - hobs and internal filters are for that as it was stated above..

Just to add - my eheim classic is working for the third year - i opened it twice to clean and lubricate seals..never any issue.. which i cant say for Tetra, Jbl, Eheim pro serie 3 and fluval which was worst (leaking, dead impeller after 6 months, leaking and leaking once again because faulty production..nothing lasted more then 2 years)



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My Eheim pro 2 going strong, 4 years. maintenance the O-rings every time I open it. I hate fluval canisters, hate hate hate. love there Hob line, IE AC110 or 70ies, hate there canisters.
 
I have AC 500's that have been running non stop for approx 15 yrs without issue, on 100+ gallon tanks. No need to add a canister to good quality HOB filters such as AC's. That, and they can still be purchased when on sale for under $50!




IMO for the most part bio-filtration media is highly overated. Most of you probably have enough bio-filtration media to handle double the pay load that your current media has to offer. I know that I certainly do.

A LFS south of me has a 325 gallon 'show tank' that at any given time contains approx 80-100 adult cichlids. I don't believe that I have ever seen a fish under 6", with most of them in the 7-9" range, and some in the 10-12" range. In other words there is a huge bio load in this tank. All of the fish in this tank always look very healthy, and the water is always very clear.

The filtration ......... three AC 500's. (now called 110's)

No bio-max rings, lava rock, bio balls, pot scrubbers etc, ...... just sponges, and floss.

The maintenance routine is approx 40% water change weekly, with the filters only getting cleaned when they get gunked up. (as in the water flow slows down) That display tank has been running that way for approx 20 yrs.

IMO unless your tank is stocked with wall to wall fish, I think many people would be surprised at how much media volume is required to keep a tanks bio filtration running in prime condition. Many years back when going to view a tank for sale the owner showed me his 90 gallon koi tank. (72x16x18) which held 12 koi, the smallest being 10", the largest 17". (I put a tape measure up against the big boy) Although the tank water was anything but crystal clear, none of the fish showed any signs of stress, or illness, and they had been in this tank for the entire winter. The filters didn't appear as though they had been cleaned for some time.

The filtration - two AC 500's, one positioned at each end of the tank, facing each other, and nothing more than sponges as filter media.

The bio load in that tank would have exceeded any 'normal' tank that I have ever seen, or I suspect will ever see again.

Not that I would recommend doing this on a heavily stocked tank, but I've cleaned all of the filter media in ALL filters on my tanks, on the same day, and never had any sign of ammonia or nitrites. (not the ceramic rings) The bio-max rings, along with my tank decor, etc, hold enough bacteria to easily handle the bio load in my tank.

With 40 Bio Max rings at the top of each filter chamber (7.2 square meters of surface area per ring), the Bio Max rings alone have approx 288 square meters of surface area for bio filtration, in each filter, and that's not even counting the sponge, or the finer blue/white filter pads that I use in my AC filters. And of course, there's much less costly media one can use than Bio-Max rings. I scored mine at a local auction 15 yrs ago for next to nothing and have yet to replace any of them. I simply rinse the bag of rings when required, and if they're getting plugged up, it sure doesn't show.

Unless you have VERY limited space for bio media, or have small ponies swimming in your tanks, I suspect that any of the filters (and media) mentioned in this thread wil provide ample surface area for proper bio filtration.

But most of them probably won't hold up for 15 years or better. :)
 
Trying to find a debate on this but I can not, I run my 180 on 2 AC110 and a reversed UG. 1400 gph between the 2 pumps, ammonia has never been an issue, 2 large oscars, 2 large pleco,s , 9" sun cat and a 8" BKG.
 
But I think a canister is a good addition to any filtration system, HoB being the must.
 
I"ll put several votes in for API Filstar(formerly Rena) canisters. Quiet, efficient and reliable. I have 8 running, from 9 to 2yrs old. The oldest runs as well as it did on day I. Zero issues with any. Also have about a dozen Aquaclears, mostly 110's. Great filters.
 
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