New wild axanthic??? Silver arowana from wes rare fish

[fugupuff]

Albino (albinism): Color mutant in which the dark pigments ([melanin] and [eumelanin]) are not developed. Animals are usually white with pink eyes.

Leucistic: A developmental mutation where pigment cells do not migrate from the [neural crest]. The resulting animals are usually white with black eyes.

Melanistic (or melanoid): color mutant where the shiny pigment cells ([iridophores]) are not developed. Melanoid animals are usually much darker in color than normal.

Xanthic: Having more yellow pigment ([xanthophores]) than normal.

Axanthic: Lacking [xanthophores], which produce yellow pigment, usually leading to a dark individual.

Amelanistic: Lacking [melanophores], which produce dark brown/black pigment, often leading to very pale individuals (which may still have other colors present).

Chromatophore: Pigment-containing cell of the skin. There are several different kinds of chromophores, each containing different types of pigment(s). These include melanophores (containing melanin, a brown-black pigment), iridophores (containing crystals that impart a shiny iridescence), and xanthophores (containing carotenoids and pteridines, yellow and reddish pigments). For more information see [axolotl.org color genetics page].

Iridophore: A pigment-containing cell that contains crystals that impart a shiny iridescence. See [chromophore].

Xanthophore: A pigment-containing cell that contains carotenoids and pteridines, which impart yellow and red pigments. See [chromophore].

Melanophore: A pigment-containing cell that contains melanin, a brown-black pigment. See [chromophore].

Melanin (or eumelanin): a brown-black pigment that gives color to the skin of many amphibians.

Flavistic: a color mutant that has a yellow or golden color.



maybe, or pied. The terminology doesn't matter, I would pay for this fish. too bad its handled like a game fish...let me know which lake and we should go look for it!

View attachment 1062532 Is this considered axanthic jardini?

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[KELVINFONG]

Bro.. I agreed.. You sell at 100 some ppl might buy for fun. So u are also saying this axanthic trait will cost around 100 only. Which I agree also.. For this low cost fish reason I will not add to my collection...

These fish would be money makers cause there's a demand for weird fish and different variants. Money is money and last time I knew rtg's still are bought.


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For someone who has kept aro's for 30 years you dont know very much.
ANyone who knows their fish can tell that is a platinum silver....not a black. Look at the tail shape. Picture says a thousand words.
ANd as far as axanthic rtg being so common....lets see em. That silver is a lot more common than a color morph rtg.

Platinum? look at tail? I was comparing this with my other platinum ... Some how looks different... Color and shape all different.. so one of them has to be a black and the other a silver.. But which is which? Or u have a platinum silver or platinum black to compare for clearer understanding? I don't know much about aros... Perhaps u can enlighten further

your smaller one has the eye problem like many of the platinums encounter. still a nice looking fish. probably from inbreeding, unless you know its a wild fish. I have a friend in Taiwan that was trying to breed platinums, he kept about 15 pieces adults together, maybe you know him?

I am Singaporean by the way. Taiwan really far from here. I know most true snow aro have some form of defects here and there
. The shiny plat is common.. The matt white type is rare. The matt type are so genetic screwed that they are not known to reproduced.. I have both plat and snow.. To be honest.. Plats no where near as compared to a snow.

 

[fugupuff]

I am Singaporean by the way. Taiwan really far from here. I know most true snow aro have some form of defects here and there
. The shiny plat is common.. The matt white type is rare. The matt type are so genetic screwed that they are not known to reproduced.. I have both plat and snow.. To be honest.. Plats no where near as compared to a snow.

Yes, I know you're from Singapore., and its only 3-4 hour flight to TPE., I've been to both places.

So you guys are calling snow and platinum different fish. But realize that these are all just genetic defects, so the name assigned to them is just "man made" label of the fish. I think high shine is different, more common
but platinum/snow are pretty much the same thing. Would you say the one I posted in this picture is a matt white snow or platinum then? what is your definition separating the two?

 

[KELVINFONG]

Bro.. I agreed.. You sell at 100 some ppl might buy for fun. So u are also saying this axanthic trait will cost around 100 only. Which I agree also.. For this low cost fish reason I will not add to my collection...

These fish would be money makers cause there's a demand for weird fish and different variants. Money is money and last time I knew rtg's still are bought.


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For someone who has kept aro's for 30 years you dont know very much.
ANyone who knows their fish can tell that is a platinum silver....not a black. Look at the tail shape. Picture says a thousand words.
ANd as far as axanthic rtg being so common....lets see em. That silver is a lot more common than a color morph rtg.

Platinum? look at tail? I was comparing this with my other platinum ... Some how looks different... Color and shape all different.. so one of them has to be a black and the other a silver.. But which is which? Or u have a platinum silver or platinum black to compare for clearer understanding? I don't know much about aros... Perhaps u can enlighten further

your smaller one has the eye problem like many of the platinums encounter. still a nice looking fish. probably from inbreeding, unless you know its a wild fish. I have a friend in Taiwan that was trying to breed platinums, he kept about 15 pieces adults together, maybe you know him?

What I'm trying to say, maybe you cannot understand me very well. If an regular RTG is only worth $100.00 usd in Asia retail, and they still are very popular, and sell probably tens of thousands a year, that translates to profit. So to have an axanthic one, I would imagine that it worth at least $100.00 maybe $200 or maybe more? and maybe you would see some around and maybe they would still be profitable since like you said they're so easy to breed? So do you think they breed just like cichlids? the answer is NO.

Again, something so common, like RTG you can still find pictures on the internet right? How about axanthic RTG? less on the ineternet right? So find me the axanthic silver arowana picture. Can you follow my logic?

I am seeing it in Singapore context. We are land scares.. Not viable to breed in Singapore.. Might ss well use this space to breed high quality Asians or stingray better. your overheads the same but return much higher.

I won't buy axanthic silver. Like I don't buy axanthic rtg. They are not collectables due to they can be Mass produced.

But again I must stress that a axanthic silver will have a market for general fish keepers. .. If the price is cheap..

 

[KELVINFONG]

Bro.. I agreed.. You sell at 100 some ppl might buy for fun. So u are also saying this axanthic trait will cost around 100 only. Which I agree also.. For this low cost fish reason I will not add to my collection...

These fish would be money makers cause there's a demand for weird fish and different variants. Money is money and last time I knew rtg's still are bought.


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For someone who has kept aro's for 30 years you dont know very much.
ANyone who knows their fish can tell that is a platinum silver....not a black. Look at the tail shape. Picture says a thousand words.
ANd as far as axanthic rtg being so common....lets see em. That silver is a lot more common than a color morph rtg.

Platinum? look at tail? I was comparing this with my other platinum ... Some how looks different... Color and shape all different.. so one of them has to be a black and the other a silver.. But which is which? Or u have a platinum silver or platinum black to compare for clearer understanding? I don't know much about aros... Perhaps u can enlighten further

your smaller one has the eye problem like many of the platinums encounter. still a nice looking fish. probably from inbreeding, unless you know its a wild fish. I have a friend in Taiwan that was trying to breed platinums, he kept about 15 pieces adults together, maybe you know him?

Yes, I know you're from Singapore., and its only 3-4 hour flight to TPE., I've been to both places.

So you guys are calling snow and platinum different fish. But realize that these are all just genetic defects, so the name assigned to them is just "man made" label of the fish. I think high shine is different, more common
but platinum/snow are pretty much the same thing. Would you say the one I posted in this picture is a matt white snow or platinum then? what is your definition separating the two?

Snow and platinum is different. Snow is like chalk color.. Whereas platinum has metallic shine...the smaller one I had is a snow and bigger one is a plat

The aro you posted I cannot comment as it is in a light colored tank. Throw it to a black tank.. And u will serve its true color.

Judging from its eyes.. Most likely a platinum. Snow has funny looking sets of eyes.. Think the snow triats Is link to its defects in the eyes... Extreme defects make it impotent and funny looking. .. And extremely rare. I reason why I bought this snow is because I know it's the real deal From the looks of its eyes..

 

[1hottuna]

Bro Fong........first off you have nice fish......ones that you should be proud of and not have to belittle others collections to feel better...... I will be done with conversing with you now.....I want to leave you with a quote......but first thanks for your comments of envy.....I appreciate it..gives me more pride in my collection.....

"There is never jealousy where there is not strong regard"

 

[davenmandy]

Bro, i love how you guys call people bro before talking to each other haha, it's funny when you are calling each other brother each time before arguing.

My 2 pennies, OP nice fish. Wes knows what he's talking about. BroFong, if you don't have pictures or any other resources to back your claim up of these fish not being rare, you are full of it. A ton of people on here know a great deal about arowana, not one of them is jumping in here to back you up. If it was so common, one bro on here would post a picture of his.

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[KELVINFONG]

I am not an expert in Arowana despite 30 Years of keeping Arowana. I have never claimed to be an expert. As I said earlier in my very first post.. .. I apologize if I have offended anyone by saying what I sincerely felt. I never meant to Be little anyone.. God makes everything beautiful be it 100 or 10000... And Arowanas are really heavenly creatures which I got hook but them for years.
you have already said no one is on my side.. So does my opinion matter still? Majority wins. You guys go with your guts feeling... If you think it's worth all your pennies than go buy it.. I just want you guys not suffer the losses I had before when I bought my albino silver.. If my advise can save someone from making the mistakes I made I am happy already.

 

[framcosco]

I am not an expert in Arowana despite 30 Years of keeping Arowana. I have never claimed to be an expert. As I said earlier in my very first post.. .. I apologize if I have offended anyone by saying what I sincerely felt. I never meant to Be little anyone.. God makes everything beautiful be it 100 or 10000... And Arowanas are really heavenly creatures which I got hook but them for years.
you have already said no one is on my side.. So does my opinion matter still? Majority wins. You guys go with your guts feeling... If you think it's worth all your pennies than go buy it.. I just want you guys not suffer the losses I had before when I bought my albino silver.. If my advise can save someone from making the mistakes I made I am happy already.

I am on your side. I agree with many of your comments. Platinum and Snow are two terms to distinguish certain characteristics and level of "quality" -- hence the difference in price...... the grading system for platinum fish is non existent in the US or should I say not used here because the market for platinum fish is found overseas such as Japan and China where such fish are sold at a premium. Platinum, snow white, A, AA, AAA,.... all have significant meaning in the platinum fish industry..... is it just hype to increase price? Not necessarily...... headshape, color base, scales,....etc all play into the grading system..... when these type of fish command such high prices.... I welcome such grading system....

As for the aro in question..... lets see how these guys develop..... they look interesting and different....I am looking forward to the development of these fish....

While reading this thread, I do have a question. How do we know for SURE that these are wild caught? other than the supplier's word that they are wild caught?... it is not uncommon for suppliers to embellish to increase the price of a fish..... I am not directing this to Wes, as he (I imagine) purchased/acquired/imported these from a supplier somewhere..... If these truly are wild caught, that would be amazing..... I have seen a couple of said fish and they are definitely nothing like the silver albinos being bred over-seas...... very unique.....

 

[fugupuff]

good to hear. I think we are all hobbyists and can all help each other. I understand Bro Fong how you're trying to help people from spending on a fish that you think will become cheap. I've been importing and exporting fish for about 15 years, and have followed the trends of all these fish for a long time.

As for albino, you see all the ones now are the grape eye albino, which they're breeding with regular success, however, they are not breeding the pink eyed albino arowana that was originally found in the wild. As for these axanthic ones, it seems to be new to the hobby, so even if they were to start breeding them, it would take aprox 5-7 years for the fish to mature, and for someone to have a group of the same kind together to breed this trait, right? So far this year, out of Peru, they've produced about 8-10 fish of this kind out of 200000 fish collected, so I don't think any breeder in South East Asia has enough to of them together to breed. Maybe in a few years when they offer to buy all the ones I imported and try to breed them.

With fish keeping people take pride in their collection, for specific reasons, and often judged by the scarcity of the animal, happy fish keeping!

I am not an expert in Arowana despite 30 Years of keeping Arowana. I have never claimed to be an expert. As I said earlier in my very first post.. .. I apologize if I have offended anyone by saying what I sincerely felt. I never meant to Be little anyone.. God makes everything beautiful be it 100 or 10000... And Arowanas are really heavenly creatures which I got hook but them for years.
you have already said no one is on my side.. So does my opinion matter still? Majority wins. You guys go with your guts feeling... If you think it's worth all your pennies than go buy it.. I just want you guys not suffer the losses I had before when I bought my albino silver.. If my advise can save someone from making the mistakes I made I am happy already.