New wild axanthic??? Silver arowana from wes rare fish

[jlnguyen74]

bro no offend but don't think your king is a snow.. Most likely a albino variant short body silver. .. I dont need anyone on my side. Facts on my side more important.

Albino variiant short body silver.... That's a lot of big words from a person who can't tell the difference between a black and silver arowana, the only important fact that's on your side bro! Why don't you quit while you're still ahead...

 

[koltsixx]

bro no offend but don't think your king is a snow.. Most likely a albino variant short body silver. .. I dont need anyone on my side. Facts on my side more important.

I don't know why you continue to post here? You made your opinion apparently clear and have offered no facts despite continually posting that you've seen them often and that they're commonly available. Fact: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>. So far you provided one pic that was so horrendous it almost looks to be a illustration on piece old paper and your statements over and over again that you've seen xanthics more then leucistics,snows and albinos. Facts would consist of actual documented numbers of how many captive bred animals there are of each or at very least and this would be reaching for it to be called a fact, producing more pictured examples of the xanthic over the other three. A quick search of the net and you'll find that the other three(leu,alb,snow) are far more photographed then anything claimed to be xanthic. This suggests that you're assertions are actually incorrect never mind that you have labeled your statements with no evidence as fact.

Now addressing genetics lets start with the "snow". Just so you know what a snow actually is it is an animal who is is a double homozygous. It is homozygous (visibly) for both the albino and axanthic gene. That being said a true snow is more likely to be one of the rarer if not rarest color morphs. Leucism on the other hand is the reduction of all pigment in an animal. That being said visually the two could look identical with the only way to tell the difference is if the animal had some expression of black in it's normal coloration. Seeing as Aro's don't the only other ways to tell would be to know the genetics of the parents or have the fish tested. With that said I'd be more then skeptical of someone claiming to have a snow who didn't have documentation and would definitely say that person is foolish if they bought such a animal for a lot of money with no documentation as evidence. Reason being without the documentation neither the owner or others could readily tell if they got what they paid for. As such I would also be hesitant to throw out the whole you paid too much for that as those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In regards to the video there are many ways albinism can express and one is yellowing with age due to the accumulation of riboflavins from its diet. So an Albino can appear slightly Xanthic and since there's no good light source on the eyes of the Aro we can hardly claim definitively that it's not an Albino or something else.

With that said 1hottuna and vincent those are some beauties and I would definitely take Wes word a million times over then this gentleman. Wes has far more experience and knowledge as he's in the trade and travels often enough to know what's out there. My feeling is KELVINFONG has reasons beyond just trying to educate seeing as he's provided nothing and this seems to be the only thread that receives his attention which means there's probably ulterior motives for his posting. Your best bet is just to let him talk and ignore him unless he actually contributes something worthwhile other then his supposed personal observations.

 

[KELVINFONG]

Check out this vid are these xanthic? [video=youtube_share;Bk2neulEq-4]http://youtu.be/Bk2neulEq-4[/video]

Actually,those in the vid are albino, so what you saw as xanthic were just albino.

I saw a group of arowanA with translucent scales and no Red eyes.. I define that as a axanthic.. Of course I cannot deny it could being born from albino parents.. They share so much similarities. These were what I saw. Translucent scales Arowanas.. Just like the panda Rtg.. Which translucent scales...
They are not albino bro...

Not this guy again.....yep your right....easily breed and Very common fish.....I wish I would have listened before I bought it......hahahahahahahahaha

Albino variiant short body silver.... That's a lot of big words from a person who can't tell the difference between a black and silver arowana, the only important fact that's on your side bro! Why don't you quit while you're still ahead...

The only reasons why I can't tell the difference is because I have never kept black aro before. As for silver.. I am only collecting platinum and snow.. That's why I know the difference Between and snow and a platinum or albino. Hope this clarifies.

 

[KELVINFONG]

Check out this vid are these xanthic? [video=youtube_share;Bk2neulEq-4]http://youtu.be/Bk2neulEq-4[/video]

Actually,those in the vid are albino, so what you saw as xanthic were just albino.

I saw a group of arowanA with translucent scales and no Red eyes.. I define that as a axanthic.. Of course I cannot deny it could being born from albino parents.. They share so much similarities. These were what I saw. Translucent scales Arowanas.. Just like the panda Rtg.. Which translucent scales...
They are not albino bro...

Not this guy again.....yep your right....easily breed and Very common fish.....I wish I would have listened before I bought it......hahahahahahahahaha

Albino variiant short body silver.... That's a lot of big words from a person who can't tell the difference between a black and silver arowana, the only important fact that's on your side bro! Why don't you quit while you're still ahead...

I don't know why you continue to post here? You made your opinion apparently clear and have offered no facts despite continually posting that you've seen them often and that they're commonly available. Fact: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>. So far you provided one pic that was so horrendous it almost looks to be a illustration on piece old paper and your statements over and over again that you've seen xanthics more then leucistics,snows and albinos. Facts would consist of actual documented numbers of how many captive bred animals there are of each or at very least and this would be reaching for it to be called a fact, producing more pictured examples of the xanthic over the other three. A quick search of the net and you'll find that the other three(leu,alb,snow) are far more photographed then anything claimed to be xanthic. This suggests that you're assertions are actually incorrect never mind that you have labeled your statements with no evidence as fact.

Now addressing genetics lets start with the "snow". Just so you know what a snow actually is it is an animal who is is a double homozygous. It is homozygous (visibly) for both the albino and axanthic gene. That being said a true snow is more likely to be one of the rarer if not rarest color morphs. Leucism on the other hand is the reduction of all pigment in an animal. That being said visually the two could look identical with the only way to tell the difference is if the animal had some expression of black in it's normal coloration. Seeing as Aro's don't the only other ways to tell would be to know the genetics of the parents or have the fish tested. With that said I'd be more then skeptical of someone claiming to have a snow who didn't have documentation and would definitely say that person is foolish if they bought such a animal for a lot of money with no documentation as evidence. Reason being without the documentation neither the owner or others could readily tell if they got what they paid for. As such I would also be hesitant to throw out the whole you paid too much for that as those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In regards to the video there are many ways albinism can express and one is yellowing with age due to the accumulation of riboflavins from its diet. So an Albino can appear slightly Xanthic and since there's no good light source on the eyes of the Aro we can hardly claim definitively that it's not an Albino or something else.

With that said 1hottuna and vincent those are some beauties and I would definitely take Wes word a million times over then this gentleman. Wes has far more experience and knowledge as he's in the trade and travels often enough to know what's out there. My feeling is KELVINFONG has reasons beyond just trying to educate seeing as he's provided nothing and this seems to be the only thread that receives his attention which means there's probably ulterior motives for his posting. Your best bet is just to let him talk and ignore him unless he actually contributes something worthwhile other then his supposed personal observations.

Please just talk about aro here.. No Name calling please. I have never labelled anybody here as empty or has ulterior motives. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This is An open website for hobbyist. You can't banned any one Just because they are being objectives. The one that should be banned are those that start labeling people.. Calling them empty or has ulterior motives. Vincent fish is not a snow. And axanthic in silver is not new variant. That's all I am saying. People got offended.. Yes they do.. Why? Because truth hurts sometimes.

 

[jlnguyen74]

The only reasons why I can't tell the difference is because I have never kept black aro before. As for silver.. I am only collecting platinum and snow.. That's why I know the difference Between and snow and a platinum or albino. Hope this clarifies.

Do you see how terrible you are? In your own words, you can't tell the difference between silver and black aro, because you have never kept black aro before. As for silver, you ONLY collecting platinum and snow. That's why you know the difference between snow, platinum, and albino. Do you collect albino? If you don't, how can you tell the difference between albino to platinum or snow? Do you keep xanthic or axanthic? If you don't, how can you dismiss another member axanthic or xanthic as common, low cost fish? Btw, what's the difference between platinum and snow? Care to explain/elaborate? What you've posted so far have clarified only one thing: you don't know what you're talking about!

 

[jlnguyen74]

Please just talk about aro here.. No Name calling please. I have never labelled anybody here as empty or has ulterior motives. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This is An open website for hobbyist. You can't banned any one Just because they are being objectives. The one that should be banned are those that start labeling people.. Calling them empty or has ulterior motives. Vincent fish is not a snow. And axanthic in silver is not new variant. That's all I am saying. People got offended.. Yes they do.. Why? Because truth hurts sometimes.

You're right. Truth hurts. Truth is you're lack of experience. Truth is you don't know what you're talking about. Truth is you posted thing that you can't back it up. Truth is your thread does not get as many view or comment as this one. Truth is your so-call snow is just a fluke of nature that has been available in the hobby for quite a few years, while Bill and Vince arowana are just the first few pieces surface in this hobby. Is that why you keep posting your nonsense? You're hurt from those truth!

 

[koltsixx]

Please just talk about aro here.. No Name calling please. I have never labelled anybody here as empty or has ulterior motives. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This is An open website for hobbyist. You can't banned any one Just because they are being objectives. The one that should be banned are those that start labeling people.. Calling them empty or has ulterior motives. Vincent fish is not a snow. And axanthic in silver is not new variant. That's all I am saying. People got offended.. Yes they do.. Why? Because truth hurts sometimes.

I have no Aro's and no reason to be offended so why would the "truth" hurt/offend me especially when you've offered no proof?

Fact you continue to post here for reasons beyond educating as is evident by your lack of evidence as you can't educate without knowledge and proof of said knowledge so by all means if your motives aren't ulterior tell me what they are?

I also merely stated how I feel about those who buy snows, how is that any different then when you tell the OP he wasted his money? Or are you saying telling someone they wasted their money isn't a kin to calling them foolish? That you where actually praising the OP and his excellent buying habits? If anything my remark are more general then yours. You never said you had no documentation and I simply stated that if I was in those shoes wouldn't be so blatant in my proclamations. If you associated that with yourself then it is your own conscience that led you there. The only thing i directed at you or to be done about you is not to pay you attention till you have an actual fact to back up your statements. There was no name calling on my part.

My post was about Aro's and genetics how are they different from yours? Because they're actually facts about genetics while you've provided nothing?

I never said about banning you and as you said this is a open website for hobbyists so am I not entitled to the same freedom you are?

Never said vinces fish was a snow.

 

[KELVINFONG]

Check out this vid are these xanthic? [video=youtube_share;Bk2neulEq-4]http://youtu.be/Bk2neulEq-4[/video]

Actually,those in the vid are albino, so what you saw as xanthic were just albino.

I saw a group of arowanA with translucent scales and no Red eyes.. I define that as a axanthic.. Of course I cannot deny it could being born from albino parents.. They share so much similarities. These were what I saw. Translucent scales Arowanas.. Just like the panda Rtg.. Which translucent scales...
They are not albino bro...

Not this guy again.....yep your right....easily breed and Very common fish.....I wish I would have listened before I bought it......hahahahahahahahaha

Albino variiant short body silver.... That's a lot of big words from a person who can't tell the difference between a black and silver arowana, the only important fact that's on your side bro! Why don't you quit while you're still ahead...

I don't know why you continue to post here? You made your opinion apparently clear and have offered no facts despite continually posting that you've seen them often and that they're commonly available. Fact: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>. So far you provided one pic that was so horrendous it almost looks to be a illustration on piece old paper and your statements over and over again that you've seen xanthics more then leucistics,snows and albinos. Facts would consist of actual documented numbers of how many captive bred animals there are of each or at very least and this would be reaching for it to be called a fact, producing more pictured examples of the xanthic over the other three. A quick search of the net and you'll find that the other three(leu,alb,snow) are far more photographed then anything claimed to be xanthic. This suggests that you're assertions are actually incorrect never mind that you have labeled your statements with no evidence as fact.

Now addressing genetics lets start with the "snow". Just so you know what a snow actually is it is an animal who is is a double homozygous. It is homozygous (visibly) for both the albino and axanthic gene. That being said a true snow is more likely to be one of the rarer if not rarest color morphs. Leucism on the other hand is the reduction of all pigment in an animal. That being said visually the two could look identical with the only way to tell the difference is if the animal had some expression of black in it's normal coloration. Seeing as Aro's don't the only other ways to tell would be to know the genetics of the parents or have the fish tested. With that said I'd be more then skeptical of someone claiming to have a snow who didn't have documentation and would definitely say that person is foolish if they bought such a animal for a lot of money with no documentation as evidence. Reason being without the documentation neither the owner or others could readily tell if they got what they paid for. As such I would also be hesitant to throw out the whole you paid too much for that as those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In regards to the video there are many ways albinism can express and one is yellowing with age due to the accumulation of riboflavins from its diet. So an Albino can appear slightly Xanthic and since there's no good light source on the eyes of the Aro we can hardly claim definitively that it's not an Albino or something else.

With that said 1hottuna and vincent those are some beauties and I would definitely take Wes word a million times over then this gentleman. Wes has far more experience and knowledge as he's in the trade and travels often enough to know what's out there. My feeling is KELVINFONG has reasons beyond just trying to educate seeing as he's provided nothing and this seems to be the only thread that receives his attention which means there's probably ulterior motives for his posting. Your best bet is just to let him talk and ignore him unless he actually contributes something worthwhile other then his supposed personal observations.

Do you see how terrible you are? In your own words, you can't tell the difference between silver and black aro, because you have never kept black aro before. As for silver, you ONLY collecting platinum and snow. That's why you know the difference between snow, platinum, and albino. Do you collect albino? If you don't, how can you tell the difference between albino to platinum or snow? Do you keep xanthic or a xanthic? If you don't, how can you dismiss another member axanthic or xanthic as common, low cost fish? Btw, what's the difference between platinum and snow? Care to explain/elaborate? What you've posted so far have clarified only one thing: you don't know what you're talking about!

Yes I has an albino silver now.
3 feet in length actually. I used to collect them but not now coz they are so readily available. I have never pay attention to black aro .. Reason being coz they are cheap. Its like I don't pay attention to the feeder fishes that I feed my aros.

Back to your question. Snow and platinum... Adjectives used on aro nowadays.platinum is a type of metal. It has metallic shine. Snow is like white chalk.. The color is matt and not shiny. Does Vincent fish has a metallic shine? You go see yourself and advise me. So if his is not snow. .. Then is it a platinum..? To be honest.. No also.
Most likely a common albino silver with black eyes.

 

[Zeke]

I would really like to know the difference in Bro Fong's own words, not from something copied from the internet or another plagiarised source. I am NOT saying that you have been doing that. I just wanted to hear the difference in your own words. Please, Enlighten me. Looking forward to reading your profile and explanation of those types of variants. Thank you in advance. You seem as though you have enough experience and expertise to really help me finally understand how they differ from the other strains. Also, Vince, that is the most beautiful arowana that I've EVER seen!!! IMHO, you have the prettiest arowana out of the two that I've seen that came from Bro Wes of Rare Fish. Maybe one day I'll be able to get one that looks that wonderful. Until then, Vince, if you and Tuna would PLEASE keep me & everyone else updated with lots of pictures and print, maybe I can live vicariously through the two of you. Thanks in advance.

 

[Zeke]

You must have been typing at the same time as I was, Bro Fong. Lol!