Lacerdae hoplias ID?
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I'm just glad that this is getting some hits., its the hottest topic in town right now
Sure i do he breeds and sells dogs and travels all through central and south america. He has a lot of friends in brazil too. Ive also been in contact with another guy who breeds dogo in argentina. When i say these fish im speaking wolf fish in general there are wolf fish native to ecuador. Ive imported and exported dogs not fish though never been that into fish been thinking of getting him to send me some wild fish lately.
ok, so I received 4 different type of these wolves directly from Argentina.
1. small green ones exported as Lacerdae from Argentina, the guy exporting these fish has been around these fish all his life, so I'm taking his word for it.
2. the hoplias cf. lacerdae "red" and "green" from Alto Parana, which is near Iguazu Falls, borders 3 countries Paraguay/Southern tip of Brazil, and northern tip of Argentina,
these have the higher back and long snouth, only got a handful of these most all sold and shipped out
3. a couple blunt head, 7" ones that were sold as Hoplias australis, looks like Jacob's big "australis" in the other thread but smaller version
Funny thing is even though these 3 types all have different body shape, mouth, and colors, their jaw lines are not a complete "U", and not complete "V"., kind of in between, which would make them "australis" but they cannot all be "australis" either.
Per fishfarm, Ken Davis, malabaricus does not exist in Uruguay, which is where he is collecting, and non of my fish come from where he is collecting, but its near by. Take distance and proximity into consideration.
The couple of "lacerdae" that people say are confirmed, have big eyes and long snout, kind of like the cf. lacerdae I got, but still a little different. Most of those came from, some say "lower xingu"., which is far from where these are collected, a couple of thousand miles away.
Jacob did say he has one that is from Ken? and its confirmed Lacerdae... the one that DBjunkie got from Ken that was sold as Lacerdae is obviously not the same fish...so the question and questions continue. Here is a picture of the little green ones jaw line I took last night. What do you all think?
1. small green ones exported as Lacerdae from Argentina, the guy exporting these fish has been around these fish all his life, so I'm taking his word for it.
2. the hoplias cf. lacerdae "red" and "green" from Alto Parana, which is near Iguazu Falls, borders 3 countries Paraguay/Southern tip of Brazil, and northern tip of Argentina,
these have the higher back and long snouth, only got a handful of these most all sold and shipped out
3. a couple blunt head, 7" ones that were sold as Hoplias australis, looks like Jacob's big "australis" in the other thread but smaller version
Funny thing is even though these 3 types all have different body shape, mouth, and colors, their jaw lines are not a complete "U", and not complete "V"., kind of in between, which would make them "australis" but they cannot all be "australis" either.
Per fishfarm, Ken Davis, malabaricus does not exist in Uruguay, which is where he is collecting, and non of my fish come from where he is collecting, but its near by. Take distance and proximity into consideration.
The couple of "lacerdae" that people say are confirmed, have big eyes and long snout, kind of like the cf. lacerdae I got, but still a little different. Most of those came from, some say "lower xingu"., which is far from where these are collected, a couple of thousand miles away.
Jacob did say he has one that is from Ken? and its confirmed Lacerdae... the one that DBjunkie got from Ken that was sold as Lacerdae is obviously not the same fish...so the question and questions continue. Here is a picture of the little green ones jaw line I took last night. What do you all think?
I'm just glad that this is getting some hits., its the hottest topic in town right now
Very hot topic, it just seemed easy to use the post with felipe in it instead of saying this is what he said. Its all confusing for real so much conflicting info. Like in your post where it says ken said malas are not in Uruguay, In the other post felipe says all 3 mala,aus and lac are found there.
So it's safe to say that the cf.s are the same or very similar to what we as hobbyists know to be "Iguaza" wolves?
For what it's worth I think that the little cf. guys I got from you look just like mini versions of the larger "Iguaza" I got from you.
I also believe the very first wolf I got from you to be Australis.
Personally, I enjoy the get 'em and grow em' game with the Hoplias even more then the Tor..... lol. Wolves develop personalities that are second to nothing you can keep in a glass box in my opinion.... And I'm seeing this personality in several species.
The reason I do care to spend the money though is that lacerdae grows much larger and has the look I'm after (after I saw DBs iguaza he got from wes I started actually hunting around for wolves before I could've cared less about them I thought they were overpriced aggressive lazy brown logs before) nice and sleek and long head. I saw fugupuff selling baby green eyed lacerdae and they looked like nothing I've ever seen before so I took a chance and got one. Was thinking about getting a cf. parana lac and still want one but my money is getting tight I've been spending so much, some many awesome fish come in it's hard to decide...
Someone local is importing me some pike cichlids that I've been wanting since I was little but now that I finally have money they're rare and pricey. I finally have the chance to get some but gotta decide btwn them and another AP wolf.... Or I would've probably got an alto parana a couple weeks ago
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Yeah the guy originally in the first post say he had this one from ken that's a lacerdae and he also caught himself a australis and said australis are much rare than lacerdae and he's keeping it for himself. I think the general consensus is that the wolf DB got from ken is australis
The little green guy are interesting. They don't seem to have a spoon head arched back like the AP cf. lacs which makes me wonder what they are. A variant of lacerdae? Diff species?. Don't know what they could be. Definitely cool looking and I would say worth what you're asking for them they're cool... Can you ask the guy u got them from if he can send u pictures of them as adults?
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I feel you man i been chasing gobys for years. I would think the pikes would be a no brainer for you. I actually dont like the lacs because of the flat head and hump back. My favorite wolves are the blacks and i do like the aus, i like he one jacob has posted a lot. Im thinking of maybe trying aimara once i get some other things sorted out. Im also curious to see what the little green guys grow into.
Whatever it is, it doesn't look like any of the Mala's I've owned. I would say it's a lacerdae sp.
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