those are the guys that have been fishing the lakes for years, know exactly were the schools are at all hours of the day, and what they are eating at that particular moment in time haha. Its like going to pymatuning, gunning for walleye and you always get that old guy who outfishes you 10-1 lol all because he knows EXACTLY what those fish are doing at that exact time....Thanks, raubiy! I often feel under skilled when I read the Erie fishing reports and see guys catching 50-300 perch in a matter of hours lol.