about arapaima..

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Wow man! Are you always against everyone? You don't believe a responsible fish store owner should ask what size aquarium/pond a monster fish will be housed in? So let every Yahoo buy fish to maybe release them in the wild?
Sorry. That's how fish get banned. Look at Florida's banned list. You may sit well with it in Canada, but the day my pacu becomes illegal because of irresponsibility, people may ask why wasn't some kind of simple regulation in place to begin with.
Regulations are how this all starts. It's similar to how taxes start, they start small then get larger in smaller incraments, never has a nation started with a small tax then jumped up to a large percentage and stayed stable. They've all been overthrown.
 
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Similar to the effect we see with Australian Lungfish right now, they are available to those who are willing to spend 2k on a fish, they are very rare, but still available if you wish. The only difference is that this would be due to their size.
Maybe I don't have the right connections but there's only two people who actively post around here right now that actually keep them. One has nine of them and the other only has one, granted he wants twelve more but can't find any. I'm sure if he could find them he'd have them, given he has the holy grail of dats in one of his tanks.
 
Maybe I don't have the right connections but there's only two people who actively post around here right now that actually keep them. One has nine of them and the other only has one, granted he wants twelve more but can't find any. I'm sure if he could find them he'd have them, given he has the holy grail of dats in one of his tanks.

There was a reletively recent thread where a bunch of people reached out to importers and we're able to bring some in at 1500 a piece I believe, I don't know if it ever came to fruition, but I was just using that as an example of how a fish can be hard to attain, but those who want it bad enough can still do so, as I think should be the case with large fish such as pima.
 
There was a reletively recent thread where a bunch of people reached out to importers and we're able to bring some in at 1500 a piece I believe, I don't know if it ever came to fruition, but I was just using that as an example of how a fish can be hard to attain, but those who want it bad enough can still do so, as I think should be the case with large fish such as pima.
There was. I was heading that effort. $1500 was a number thrown out by people who has a price limit, not the people who wanted them regardless of price.
 
Can someone confirm if these guys are being bred for food? My gut tells me they are.

Reason I ask is to once again highlight the dispensability of fish. They are, in a way, really meant to be harvested, both by other animals or people, as is everything on the food chain. Want to argue that the fish is better off dead than in a small tank? Okay, let's get into the assisted suicide debate. But for now, let's try to look at the shear statistics. How many arapaima fry make it to adulthood in the wild? Is there a greater chance that that arapaima would have survived longer in the wild than in someones aquarium (minus shipping/collecting casualties)? I highly doubt that. Does every arapaima in a habitat that is appropriate size live it's full life? Highly doubt that as well.

Before I am called heartless, I get attachment to pets, and I get not being cruel to animals in general, believe me I am the one that catches spiders and throws them outside. I am quite attached my aquarium fish. Would I have rather seen them in the wild where they could live in a river and a better home? Not really, they eat better than I do, their water is pristine, and they do not have any natural predators. Would I be upset if they came to an untimely end? Yes. Would I feel bad watching a fish getting eaten by a bear in the wild? Yes and no, if not the bear goes hungry, which I would also feel bad for. Point I am trying to make is context. You can't feel bad for each and every molly and guppy in the aquarium trade. I feel they have a better chance then elsewhere, but that aside there are tons of fish. Short of the wild endangered one, there is no shortage. Humans have to derive pleasure from something, they also have to sustain themselves with some sort of business, so really casualties in this hobby/business along the way is no different of a fact of life than a small arapaima being swallowed whole by a large red tail catfish. People like the bleeding heart thing, but if they were really sincere why not go out and rescue all the fish that get mistreated? Otherwise even your Oscar in a 180 gallon tank contributes to the problem you are fighting against, to a lesser degree, but still just as hypocritical. Let people learn from their mistakes, hopefully the arapaima bites them or takes away all their beer money for the month due to their appetite and that will teach them not to keep fish they can't handle. I find this lesson to a human being to be more valuable across the board than the life of one arapaima. It sucks to see things with any degree of emotional intelligence be mistreated, hell or even massive trees getting cut down, but it is an everyday occurrence and better them than you, as humans I truly do believe we require more to our survival and (this is where I might get flamed hard) our lives matter more than that of a fish or a cow. I would like to go eat some bacon now.
 
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Supply and demand, if I think I can sell it I will bring it in. I inform everybody how large an item grows but at the end of the day if you want to do something stupid who am I to say no.

This is my personal philosophy having worked in the retail part of this trade for a number of years.

If given the opportunitity I would import Pimas, last couple lists from south america didn't have them available. Last time I saw a store import babies all got sold in under 2 weeks, which to me says there is a demand.
 
^ no offense to you, since i understand from a business standpoint, money is money...

But this is also exactly the reason why i think they should be special ordered... I mean if we are being honest, how many of those original pimas that sold out in 2 weeks do you think went to a suitably sized pond or tank???

And out of that lot, i wonder how many were impulse buys without any research...
 
^ no offense to you, since i understand from a business standpoint, money is money...

But this is also exactly the reason why i think they should be special ordered... I mean if we are being honest, how many of those original pimas that sold out in 2 weeks do you think went to a suitably sized pond or tank???

And out of that lot, i wonder how many were impulse buys without any research...

Given that the only person that I know of locally that can house adults didn't buy any of them. I can pretty much guarantee that none of them went to suitable sized accommodations. It seemed only maybe 3-4 from this import got up to larger sizes (2.5-3')

Most were likely impulse buys, I know the one I bought I only bought cause of how cheap they were. (100 bucks)

Ultimately this is a fish that is raised for food. The ones that have the chance to live in someones tank are possibly the lucky ones.
 
An arapaima kept in a too-small tank will suffer one of three fates: it'll stunt until it dies, it'll be killed for growing too large, or it'll be released. The first guarantees a bad death, the second might be, and the third will probably not end well for either the fish or the environment it's released into. Theoretically someone could find out that their fish will need a pond and will build one for it, but that really just doesn't seem likely.
An arapaima grown for food will be kept in a pen of some sort that will probably be crowded but will be fairly large, it will be kept healthy enough to grow to a fairly large size, and it will then be killed fairly quickly. That means it'll probably live longer than an aquarium arapaima, it'll have more space, and its death will probably be more humane.
I wouldn't say the ones raised for aquariums are anywhere near 'lucky'.
 
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P pharmaecopia dont take this personally, but you just highlighted my exact points why its not a great idea to stock them in an LFS without being special order, which is people will impulse buy these large fish without much 2nd thought if they are cheap enough...
 
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