Black rat snake

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predatorkeeper87 said:
we only have timber rattlers in very very very limited areas here, I've personally never seen one, just know where they are supposedly seen frequently.

Are these snakes the same species that are referred to as black racers too?
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no, Pantherophis obsoleta and Coluber constrictor are 2 totally different species.
 
joel said:
Black racer (coluber constrictor)
Black rat snake ( pantherophis alleghaniensis). Two different species.
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Frank Castle said:
no, Pantherophis obsoleta and Coluber constrictor are 2 totally different species.
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right on, I have very little knowledge of snakes so I didn't know.
 
predatorkeeper87 said:
right on, I have very little knowledge of snakes so I didn't know.
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with a little practice you can tell them apart......it IS tough though w/ 2 uniformly all-black snakes... but there are a few tells

Racers don't get the white belly Ratsnakes retain from juvenile pattern and you can also see other bits of white on the black top in the Ratsnakes, as all Ratsnakes from Pantherophis generally appear the same in their juvenile wardrobe

The head an eyes are quite different also, Racers almost appear "Bug-eyed"
 
Frank Castle said:
with a little practice you can tell them apart......it IS tough though w/ 2 uniformly all-black snakes... but there are a few tells
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well since I don't think I've seen either around my area in a few years I may bite the bullet, build an enclosure and get me an eastern rat snake. My guess is the snakes I saw were indeed rat snakes seeing as they get larger than the racers and most were hanging from trees or old farm houses in the woods. The one I picked up off the bike trail I told you about was a pretty massive animal, cut the circulation off in my hand while holding it.
 
predatorkeeper87 said:
right on, I have very little knowledge of snakes so I didn't know.
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If you are looking into getting a snake i would choose a rat snake over a racer. . I've kept a few different species over the years and even bread corn snakes. I have always liked them better than the other snakes I've kept: pythons, boas, anacondas, king snakes etc. just do some research first on what you may want.
 
predatorkeeper87 said:
well since I don't think I've seen either around my area in a few years I may bite the bullet, build an enclosure and get me an eastern rat snake. My guess is the snakes I saw were indeed rat snakes seeing as they get larger than the racers and most were hanging from trees or old farm houses in the woods. The one I picked up off the bike trail I told you about was a pretty massive animal, cut the circulation off in my hand while holding it.
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The oxymoron in Coluber constrictor is that is is NOT a constrictor.....Racers are "grabbers" and do not use constriction to kill prey

joel said:
If you are looking into getting a snake i would choose a rat snake over a racer. . I've kept a few different species over the years and even bread corn snakes. I have always liked them better than the other snakes I've kept: pythons, boas, anacondas, king snakes etc. just do some research first on what you may want.
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lol what is a "bread corn snake"? Is that like a Wheat bread corn snake........how about whole-grain oats? :P
 
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joel said:
If you are looking into getting a snake i would choose a rat snake over a racer. . I've kept a few different species over the years and even bread corn snakes. I have always liked them better than the other snakes I've kept: pythons, boas, anacondas, king snakes etc. just do some research first on what you may want.
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oh no no I wasn't planning on keeping a racer, I just don't know which species I see in my area. I'd rather collect one from the wild but it seems unlikely. I'd love to raise an eastern rat snake to 5-6 foot long, good talking piece with guests lol
 
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Frank Castle said:
The oxymoron in Coluber constrictor is that is is NOT a constrictor.....Racers are "grabbers" and do not use constriction to kill prey


lol what is a "bread corn snake"? Is that like a Wheat bread corn snake........how about whole-grain oats? :p
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naw man that's a good ol' CORN BREAD SNAKE!
 
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