I can't nor do I want to argue that. I don't have chloramine in my tap and would use water changes to reduce an ammonia spike, so the whole debate is irrelevant to me. I am still interested in the OP's results from future water changes. As R.D. stated in a previous post there is no way of knowing what happened in the first series of water changes. Since it is almost weekly water change time, good luck Wiksta. Hope it goes well.
Switched from prime to safe- dead fish
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Doc also stated the following;
Again, this is incorrect, neither Seachem product reacts in this manner.
I am not arguing about the chemical reactions etc that Doc has stated, I am simply pointing out they (the chemical formulas) are NOT Seachem products, they are products marketed and sold by AquaScience Research Group, invented by John Kuhns. Different products, manufactured by different companies, using different formulas. For every member of MFK that reads a thread such as this, 100+ lurkers will read it, some years after it has long scrolled off of the pages here at MFK. I consider it crucial that people don't walk away believing something non-factual, just because someone with a PhD said it's so. Doc may be a swell guy, with many years of experience in science involving aquatics, but he is dead wrong on this issue.
The following is from John Kuhn’s facebbook page, posted several years ago;
John Farrell Kuhns
“I have often been asked if ClorAm-X reacts with nitrite and/or nitrate. The simple answer is no it doesn't. There is a related compound on the market (you can easily identify it by its stink) that claims to remove or detoxify both nitrite and nitrate.”
The related compound, that one can easily identify by its stink, is obviously referring to Seachem Prime/Safe.
I first began using ChlorAm-X before there were any distributors in Canada, I couldn't even find an online company back then that would ship to Canada. Ditto with Safe, I had to get friends ship me these items with an MSDS attached, or Customs would turn them away at the border. I found that out the hard way! So my experience with both products goes back quite a few years, and as stated early on I have tested both over the years, many times.
I could pick a container of ChlorAm-X from one full of Safe, all day long, 100% of the time. As John Kuhn's stated, one of them stinks.
ChlorAm-X MSDS
http://lghttp.29106.nexcesscdn.net/80C113/pentairaes/media/docs/CAX5-MSDS-Sheet.pdf
Company (ARG) Product Info on ChlorAm-X
http://ari1.com/products/126-2/
Later ARG released a liquid version (Ultimate), which they state: “adds buffering agents which boost the alkalinity without causing the pH to rise significantly in freshwater. ULTIMATE ® helps stabilize the pH.” http://www.koicarekennel.com/pdf/PDSULTIMATE.pdf
and later Hikari then carried their own liquid version, which was also advertised as being buffered. http://www.hikariusa.com/solutions/waterconditioner/cloram-x/
No doubt that in certain situations, the dry powder version of ChlorAm-X did cause a rise in pH values. (they pretty much admit the potential) Again, I am not arguing with any of that science.
Having said all that – NONE of this has anything to do With Seachem Prime, or Seachem Safe.
Again, different products, manufactured by different companies, using different formulas. As the inventor of ChlorAm-X stated years ago about his competitor (Seachem), you can easily identify it by its stink.
That was for the lurkers that come down the line, everything is now posted for any one that is interested. I think that any reasonably intelligent person should draw the correct conclusion. For those that can't/don't, hopefully they have friends that can. 
Here is a new thread I started about safe. https://www.I Will Not Spam on MFK.us/threads/seachem-safe.427
He has been banned from 15 fish sites for proving people wrong.
