Catfish ideas

[kno4te]

The jag and bumblee may need to be taken out of adding with the other cats. The other cats get too big fast. The jag and b-bee will end up being a meal.

The juruense, vulture and achara are decent. Will be around the same size and similar growth rates, not exact but close.

 

[koltsixx]

Oh man i do want more i dont think its the huge growing one but have no info other than google but yeab u may be right may be pushing it a bit

moe214 thebiggerthebetter koltsixx kno4te
Maybe some combo of the following:
Bolt or vulture (leaning towards bolt), juruense, jaguar, batrochoglanis raninus, leiarius marmoratus ???

Pearsei wont go near tilapia and can feed the pellets after lights out.

Marms get close to 3 feet and are active so yeah IMO definitely should be crossed off for a 30 inch wide tank.

I think the Bolt would be okay with a Juru and maybe the Jags, kno4te maybe right about the growth of the Juru presenting a problem. The raninus also might be left behind plus my guess is they hide as much as bufonius. You could try Trachycorystes to replace the Jags. IME Trachy's are more out going and bold in general and grow to a larger size and fairly quickly. Mine eat from my hand any time during the day I present them with food and with the lights on.

Was gonna ask about the jags numbers.... so 3 wuld be a good number ?

Ok taking the marm off the list

If I got Jags again I personally would try for 5 minimum but would actually prefer a group of 9 to emulate the behavior I saw when they where kept with the Trachy's and Gulpers. It was at such a large number of driiftwoods when I saw them most during the day and that they where most assertive.

 

[jaws7777]

I dont mind the jags hiding with the bolt and juru being the main attraction jags are more for my son was on his hit list since he was 3 lol.

trachelyopterus galeatus looks really cool too

Lots of good info guys seriously appreciate all of you taking the time to help me with this

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

May I suggest we leave a little room for breathing in this windwhirl? If not, sooner or later we'll all need to be medicated. Perhaps, tranquilized with darts by security first, then medicated. For some, the order might need to be reversed.

With such catfish diversity, you can try many combinations but must have more tanks to separate if or when needed. First, so that no one eats anyone. Second, territorial disputes.

It'd be pretty hard to state: OK, such and such combination could work out for the lifetime of each fish and the owner's.
-- First it is always a gamble.
-- Second, there are always exceptions and everyone's tank differs (I'm not denying trends and predictive knowledge base at all, only punctuating the caveats).
-- Third, no one can vouch for the fish lifetimes because many / most / all these catfish should be expected to live 20-30 years at least and we have no such experience under our belt. Not much at all.
-- Fourth, everyone's life marches on - Jaws may need to curtail his hobby in 1 or 10 years or expand it in 5 years beyond our dreams, who knows... in any case, those catfish will not spend until year 2040-2050 in that 8'x2.5', chances are.

7777: Bolt or vulture (leaning towards bolt), juruense, jaguar, batrochoglanis raninus, leiarius marmoratus ???
TBTB: My bolts did ok with vultures in 240 gal when they were small, ~6", and have done well (2 bolts and 6 vultures) in 4500 gal when bolts were 8"-10" and vultures 10"-18". Never had larger bolt+vultures in a smaller tank. So that'd be an unknown gamble to me. I am with Moe that bolts are not aggressive to non-bolts. In my puny experience anyway.

Jur wouldn't pay attention to any non-Brachyplatystoma unless it is hungry and can swallow a tank mate. They are more of a sitting-pretty fish than swimming-a-lot, so 2.5' may work out, albeit, I personally would not be comfortable if I knew there'd be no chance of upgrading ever in the coming say 3 years.

Achara is out of the question - in 1-2 years its maxillary barbels will span close to over your 2.5' width.

Overall, IMHO if no one can swallow anyone, this combo could cohab peacefully at small to medium sizes, especially as Kolt said with sizeable jaguar cats. There are ways to make jags and raninus always visible too. May require a compromise - the only hide they should be able to utilize would have to have glass as one of the hide's walls.

KS: Juru's don't seem as food aggressive as other cats and I always worried about mine but I might have been messing with myself. They're so pretty you just feel like they have to be fragile.
TBTB: IME none of the Brachyplatystoma are gluttonous, they are not ravenous, not desperate. Most usually. They are royalty and as such feed with dignity, unlike other neanderthals...

KS: ... IME apurensis aren't that predatory when well fed
TBTB: I agree, but still, for a peace of mind, I'd not cohab an apu with anything that can fit in its humongous and deceptive mouth. Especially if my tenancy and marital bliss were dependent on it. How calmly could you sleep each night knowing that your next night in this nice and cozy bed next to a gorgeous woman depends on stupid catfish?

KS: ... Shilbe for instance has been a cat I've wanted but just can't get my hands on. By the way do you know of any vendors who get them? I also didn't know that Volta Giraffe don't grow as large as other Occidentalis.
TBTB: I scored one trade-in accidentally. Can't recall seeing them for sale except once or twice a long time ago. Cannot offer any details. Your favorite contact Toyin can be asked as Africa importer. As for g-cats (you mean Auchenoglanis), the consensus so far is that Volta grows to about 1'. Might be a little over.

KS: Viktor believes the Vulture should be eliminated so I'll err on his side because I never kept one as a adult and he has several.
TBTB: I actually would be all hands for a vulture pack, tons of personality, the wife and kids should squeal with delight, if there is a prospect of upgrading in 2-3 years. If 8'x2.5' is for life, I'd rather not, you are right.

7777: ... Hemisorubim platyrhynchos...
TBTB: Never had that one. Very rarely offered. Heavily tempted to snatch a few from Rapps but can't right now. I'd expect it to be a mellower and smaller TSN version. But could be way wrong - it might be less predatory.

 

[jaws7777]

"How calmly could you sleep each night knowing that your next night in this nice and cozy bed next to a gorgeous woman depends on stupid catfish?"


Excellent haha literally laughed out loud

 

[moe214]

My Jags grew from 4 inches to 8 inches in a couple of months before slowing down in growth. And these guys are thick for their size just like others in their family such as Gulpers and Trachycorystes. They also get to about 10 inches SL so that's without tail which is a decent sized fish when you consider how wide they get. I believe the biggest Poly I've had was a Lap female around 14 inches and her head was no where near as big as my Oncinus. Just over half as wide as my Oncinus despite being almost twice his length.

Well hell youre lucky huh, I wish my jag was 8" already. I believe them to have a difference in pattern from juvenile to adults, mine is breaking up a little but barely. And she is the boss of her tank, I even put my 10" sun cat down there when it was getting picked on and it chased everyone in there but her, amazed me with her being the smallest fish, she bit it whenever the sun cat stuck its nose near her. The other fish she is with is a 7"+ erythrinus sp peru, and a slightly larger marbles goby. She was with a jag cichlid up until recently, the jag laid eggs and I don't need a female so I put her in the bigger tank to let "nature" take its course. But "nature" in this tank is weird. She was intended for the only two fish that can eat her whole, Trachy and curu, however she died slowly and painfully, I watched as the gold ripped bites off slowly due to the curupira chasing him off every time he bit the jag. Yes the curu was defending her. But god forbid I put a fish I once considered a favorite such as the goby who I can't get often, then the curu wants to eat them; it's like he can be my only favorite. And I read jag cats max at 9" also assumed it was TL; but maybe I was misinformed.

They are shy as moe said but IME the more you have of them the more confident they seem to be. For instance I had 3 Oncinus with 4 Trahcycorystes and 2 Gulpers and they used to come out quite a bit following the Gulpers and Trachys looking for food. I lost one Gulper and sold the other and wound up selling 2 of my Trachys and noticed a change in all the driftwood cats behavior. They all became more secretive. I have a feeling in nature Oncinus might live together in large communities in large pieces of driftwood. And therefore are far more confident the larger the group they are kept in.

Wish I could have a group. Maybe one day I'll get a 4x2x1 to put under the 120 and get more. Mines isn't to shy. Like I said she's out most of the night and comes out when I first turn the light in in the morning, take me about 40 min to get ready for school and she's usually still out by the time I leave swimming back and forth and up and down nonstop. And she comes out to eat in light or dark.

I never kept my Jags with large cichlids so you maybe right on that as well. I just know that my Jags acted very differently when kept with other driftwood cats. And in such a group I found them as aggressive when feeding as my Trachys as such they weren't easily bullied by the other cats at least. My 3 Jags however always fed with the lights on. The only thing I couldn't get them to do was eat at the surface like my Trachys and Gulpers. And I think the other fish I had at the time where those two Oscars I always mention as being one of the fish I most regret selling, a Silver Aro and a Indo Dat. However those O's where real easy going unlike some of the wild O's I have now like my Rubrocellatus which are fairly aggressive.

As I said above I had the jag cat with a jag cichlid for numerous months, I noticed the jag cat nip the cichlid at first but after that there was never any interaction between the two. The jag cat only really bothers my ery. She chases him, it's funny cause the size difference and he has the teeth to do damage out of the two.

All this talk of them, I realize how much I personally enjoy my driftwood cats. Why not get the bolt cat and a group of jags and maybe even trachy? Rapps has jags in at a good size already for sure and ime he sends things bigger then he lists them lol. It'd be a sight to see a group of dw cats out and about at feeding and dawn. Especially jags. Only thing you will have to watch is the cichlids aggression towards them I'd think.

 

[jaws7777]

Well hell youre lucky huh, I wish my jag was 8" already. I believe them to have a difference in pattern from juvenile to adults, mine is breaking up a little but barely. And she is the boss of her tank, I even put my 10" sun cat down there when it was getting picked on and it chased everyone in there but her, amazed me with her being the smallest fish, she bit it whenever the sun cat stuck its nose near her. The other fish she is with is a 7"+ erythrinus sp peru, and a slightly larger marbles goby. She was with a jag cichlid up until recently, the jag laid eggs and I don't need a female so I put her in the bigger tank to let "nature" take its course. But "nature" in this tank is weird. She was intended for the only two fish that can eat her whole, Trachy and curu, however she died slowly and painfully, I watched as the gold ripped bites off slowly due to the curupira chasing him off every time he bit the jag. Yes the curu was defending her. But god forbid I put a fish I once considered a favorite such as the goby who I can't get often, then the curu wants to eat them; it's like he can be my only favorite. And I read jag cats max at 9" also assumed it was TL; but maybe I was misinformed.


Wish I could have a group. Maybe one day I'll get a 4x2x1 to put under the 120 and get more. Mines isn't to shy. Like I said she's out most of the night and comes out when I first turn the light in in the morning, take me about 40 min to get ready for school and she's usually still out by the time I leave swimming back and forth and up and down nonstop. And she comes out to eat in light or dark.


As I said above I had the jag cat with a jag cichlid for numerous months, I noticed the jag cat nip the cichlid at first but after that there was never any interaction between the two. The jag cat only really bothers my ery. She chases him, it's funny cause the size difference and he has the teeth to do damage out of the two.

All this talk of them, I realize how much I personally enjoy my driftwood cats. Why not get the bolt cat and a group of jags and maybe even trachy? Rapps has jags in at a good size already for sure and ime he sends things bigger then he lists them lol. It'd be a sight to see a group of dw cats out and about at feeding and dawn. Especially jags. Only thing you will have to watch is the cichlids aggression towards them I'd think.

Thx for the insight moe your making me want a group even more. What are trachy? Need a full name so i can check it out unless i already did lol head spinning with catfish searches.

Pearsei will be fine he doesnt mess wirh anyone besides other cichlids...and plecos for some reason but hasnt bothered the poly or little spotted raph....or my luck will be my luck and he'll start actong like a douche

 

[jaws7777]

moe214 these guys what you were referring to trachelyopterus galeatus ? How are they as far as hiding ?

 

[moe214]

moe214 these guys what you were referring to trachelyopterus galeatus ? How are they as far as hiding ?

Trachycorystes trachycorystes is the species name.

To try and entice you lol



Oh here's a picture of the jags headband next to the sun cat, can see a little bit of the size difference since the jags head is the widest part of its body and the sun catfish tail is the thinner part of its body.

 

[jaws7777]

Wow you s.o.b lol


Its nice man.
This is gonna be expensive ordeal. What do you feed them ?