My NEW "Super-Duper Red" EMPEROR STRAIN Firemouths

[Stanzzzz7]

Here's a true story that a lot of you guys should feel ashamed of.... Someone I know (who shall remain nameless) regularly visited places to catch wild Thorichthys. No import license not quarantine... He got caught a few times and fined but the fish were just left on to die in their bags.. If th

Why on earth should anybody here feel ashamed about this complete strangers actions?

 

[Stanzzzz7]

You're very wrong there. The idea is to introduce BETTER QUALITY FIREMOUTHS and get rid of the need to rip apart natural environments to catch WC fish...

Please explain how you intend to do this.

 

[Stanzzzz7]

Use the force?

 

[Stanzzzz7]

Jedi mind tricks?

 

[dan518]

There's extremes and there's extremes.... I would never buy one of those Quasimodo humped back hybrid freak show PARROT CICHLIDS.

On the other extreme SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!! Cichlid keepers are getting drummed into them, all the time, that Wild is best and they're switching off to domesticated fish. People on here get so precious about their F0s and F1s without thinking what affect that has on wildlife. The fall-out for this is over fishing of wild species and less emphasis conservation in the wild.

What seriously is wrong with developing specimens in a domestic environment to their best potential like what Skip is doing? He's concentrating on what makes a Trimac a Trimac... If I want to develop a Firemouth that is true to its roots and holds all the dynamic characteristics then I see that as a brilliant thing

The biggest threat to most CA/sa cichlids does not come from the very small amount of fish imported into the hobby, it comes from pollution and evasive food fish. In fact if the locals or governments saw a financial gain to protect them they would.

 

[dan518]

I don't think many people realise how hard it is to create a proper strain of ca cichlid. Most of them have to be 9 month or older before they start showing there true potential colour wise, that means you need enough tanks to keep segregating them as they grow. Most strains need about 7 generations breed into them. If you have a spare 10 tanks and 7 years available maybe you could do it. Most of the strains I have seen hobbiest do have had one or two that look good, but the fry they generally produce look like most generic lfs fish.

 

[BIG-G]

You're very wrong there. The idea is to introduce BETTER QUALITY FIREMOUTHS and get rid of the need to rip apart natural environments to catch WC fish...

Here's a true story that a lot of you guys should feel ashamed of.... Someone I know (who shall remain nameless) regularly visited places to catch wild Thorichthys. No import license not quarantine... He got caught a few times and fined but the fish were just left on to die in their bags.. If that's not cruel I don't know what is

How am I wrong?
Are you telling me that if Someone was to breed two fish of species X with a little more red on them to produce a few of their offspring that has a little more red on them and I'm sure the majority of the fry would look "normal" only a few would have more red.
Then say to the world this is the Explosive Fire back draft X strain. That's not marketing?
All your doing is breeding species X it's still X you just gave it a name so that people can recognize your species X and I bet the price will be twice as much the a normal X.
Granted there's a little more involved but that's the gist of it.

 

[oriqua]

Back to this argument again, what fun, agree with Big G,
I will also add that some of these people claiming new "strains" need to go on some of the guppy, betta, goldfish, forums where they all tell you what constitutes a new strain. It has to be notably different to any other type of that species, when bred the majority of the fry have to have the same traits.
I will also add where are the pyro Trimacs now, a few years ago lots were being shown, now people have gone back to wanting wc or f1 again. For a guess some people are labeling there "pyro" with a catch location, something easy to do as there wasn't any real difference between them and some of the wc location types.

Pyro are out their just not on this elaborate site.
Perception is not always reality.

 

[Hendre]

Culling is important to improve strains and it constantly has to be maintained

 

[Wailua Boy]

The biggest threat to most CA/sa cichlids does not come from the very small amount of fish imported into the hobby, it comes from pollution and evasive food fish. In fact if the locals or governments saw a financial gain to protect them they would.

True but you have to acknowledge the biological potential of each fish removed from wild...Virtually all fish imported are taken from relatively healthy, functioning ecosystems. In the long run loss/degradation of habitat is probably going to be the biggest threat going against these species, I would agree.