Noob trying to make good looking tank

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Alright,
So I might be getting a 150 today and was wondering what I would need to make it a planted tank.
The stocking will be:

BGK x1
Clown Loaches x5
Hi-Fin Pleco x1
Angelfish x6
Denison Barb x1
Congo Tetra x7
Yellow-Banded Tetra x7
M Cockatoo Dwarf Cichlid x1
F Cockatoo Dwarf Cichlid x3
And then I have space for more fish but I will wait for these to settle in first

The filters will be 2 Eheim Canister filters both are rated to clean 200 Gallons on their own.

I don't know what light is want. The tank has a canopy so they would have to fit in there.

And what is the difference between aquascaped tank and a planted tank?
 
Hey, well I'll first say that I don't know the behavior of all of your stocking choices so the first thing to do would be to look up whether or not they will destroy/eat plants. Some fish are very difficult if not impossible to keep in planted tanks. Not saying that yours are but it is research you should look into.

Depending on how technical you want to make the tank there are a variety of set up options.

At the simplest, you just need some substrate (sand, gravel, preferably a planted tank substrate or soil capped with sand but it's not an absolute requirement) and a light that's strong enough to grow low-light plants. You can even forgo the substrate and use plants (like Anubias and java fern) that prefer to grow attached to wood or stone.

Planted tanks, like any aquarium set up really, are all about a balance of nutrients. Plants need nutrients (from substrate and/or water column), light and Co2 to thrive. When you change one of these variables the others have to be adjusted to keep things balanced, e.g. You want to grow high light plants so you get a powerful light, well now you're going to need to inject Co2 and possibly fertilizers to keep those plants growing and your tank from becoming a mess of algae.

Finnex makes some great plant lights, as does Kesssil and AquaIllumination, but these are just a few I like. There are tons out there, you just have to do a little research on what you want to keep and then find a light that matches the intensity you need at a price you are OK with. PlantedTank.net is a great resource and you can usually find a ton of threads on this topic, including PAR values indicating how powerful many commercially available lights actually are.

As for aquascaped vs. planted, aquascaping is just the design of the tank. Like landscaping, it can have many different elements and in the end it's just a description of the layout. All tanks have an "aquascape", whether it's good or not is just personal preference. When it comes to planted tanks there are some aquascaping styles like Dutch, Iwagami, Jungle, etc... these are just categories of certain styles of aquascaping, look some up and see what you like.

I'd suggest starting easy, figure out your substrate, decide what kind of scape you want to put together (including rocks and/or wood) and then find plants you want to grow. From there you can choose your lighting and if you'll need any other equipment to make it all happen.
 
I would have clay under a layer of sand.
And all the fish are fine with plants
 
First thought... You'll need decent water changes with a dense stock like that. At the very least 60% weekly if you feed a decent amount. This almost fills the tank itself, you do realise how big the pleco, BGK and angels will get? Clown loaches will also get big, albeit slower and are easy to rehome.

Next thought is, why only one Denison barb? They are a schooling fish, and a large group of a single species will tend to look better than mixed bunches of different species. The uniform fish and behaviour will have a better overall aesthetic. I also think the apistos are too small to stay in there long term, especially with a BGK, or the polys you mentioned in another thread.

Okay now for plants, L le0p summarised it well but I'll add some more. To start, planted tanks aren't easy. They take time, patience and a bit of funding.

You'll start with a substrate. I use sand currently, but the planted tank soils such as ADA are definitely the best for growing plants in and worth the price if you can get it. This will be the basis for growing rooted plants such as Vallisneria, cryptocoryne sp, sword plants and stem plants among others. Other plants such as anubias, microsorum (java fern), bucephalandra and mosses can be attached to wood pieces and rough rockwork and don't need a substrate to grow. You can use these to achieve planting on all levels of the tank.

Light wise, I use fluorescent "grow light" tubes or Gu10 bulbs in my tanks. LED units are also definitely worth the price. The light is critical and will control what you can or can't grow, as well as the growth of the plants. Too little and your plants will take off slowly, and too much the plants may not be able to compete with algae. If you have high light then pressurized co2 should be considered to let plants take full advantage of the extra light, or algae will get to them.

Lastly, you'll need fertilizers, there are a few methods but dry dosing is probably the most cost-effective for a tank this size. You must research this heavily, PPS pro is a good method for most low tech tanks or EI for high tech. All depends on light, plant choice and co2 doses.

A planted tank is, well, a tank with plants and decor and such. Aquascapes are generally more tailored and are more involved than your standard planted tank. This is where proportion, plant choices, hardscape and layout are critical. These tanks are made to look aesthetically pleasing, and fish are usually an afterthought. While in planted tanks it's usually for both looks and fish. There's no hard and straight rule here, and it can be very deeply discussed. Most of us here just have plain ol' planted tanks :)

Hope this little essay helps! :D
 
Then you should be good to keep some low light plants without much extra work. How deep is the 150? 28"? Probably with substrate you're looking at a 24" depth, so look for a light that can give you low to medium light at 24" and you'll be set. Keeping some plants is pretty easy, only when you get into the fancy aquascapes with carpets and hard to grow plants do things get more complicated. You can definitely have a great looking tank with what you are planning, there are some great examples of cool low-tech tanks out there for sure
 
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Just to give you a bite of my low tech... Just have 60W of tubes on a 70 gal and use basic ferts, taken a year to get here since rescaping but I'm happy with the new growth :)IMG_20180316_155511.jpg
 
Well maybe I will stick to plastic for now. At least until I setup the tank and get all the fish settled. Also I meant to right 4 barbs. I was told that I can add more fish. I don't know if will though cause it does seem a little dense
 
Well maybe I will stick to plastic for now. At least until I setup the tank and get all the fish settled. Also I meant to right 4 barbs. I was told that I can add more fish. I don't know if will though cause it does seem a little dense
If you ultimately want a planted tank, I would start with getting the plants to grow and really thrive before picking up any fish. I realized planted tanks are challenging in itself. Do not be intimidated...all about trial & error and learning as you go. Getting the fish will be the easy step.
 
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If you ultimately want a planted tank, I would start with getting the plants to grow and really thrive before picking up any fish. I realized planted tanks are challenging in itself. Do not be intimidated...all about trial & error and learning as you go. Getting the fish will be the easy step.

See I don't have a grand just to through into trial and error. I would rather just get plastic and not worry about it. But I am also starting to think.
If I get a good light that is made for a planted tank and if I just make sure to put some ferts can plants not thrive like that? I was also hoping for some java moss or christmas moss or some baby tears to carpet would that work?
 
See I don't have a grand just to through into trial and error. I would rather just get plastic and not worry about it. But I am also starting to think.
If I get a good light that is made for a planted tank and if I just make sure to put some ferts can plants not thrive like that? I was also hoping for some java moss or christmas moss or some baby tears to carpet would that work?

Unfortunately planted tanks dont work like that, not unless you go full high tech and use EI dosing, then its a matter of:

1. Fully planting the tank at the start
2. Dosing large amounts of ferts to make sure the plants have enough
3. Ensuring everything is spot on with testing, coz if anything is off you'll have a ton of algae growing...
4. Makin sure you provide sufficient light...

For the most part though, your average planted tank is going to be a lot of trial and error till you get a very basic understanding of whats going on, coz everyone has different water sources and different water quality...

I know for me it took probably a good 2-3 years before i started to know what i was doing properly and now i just basically use common sense to keep it all going...

I can also tell you its now got to a point where i sometimes feel i need a chemistry degree just to know what i want to do next or how to improve my own setup...
 
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