It's an underexagerration. Regardless, those genes for thriving in specific water conditions will not have been bred out. They would remain intact since a lot of those ideal conditions facilitate breeding.
Looking for feedback on this green terror tank
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It's an underexagerration. Regardless, those genes for thriving in specific water conditions will not have been bred out. They would remain intact since a lot of those ideal conditions facilitate breeding.
OP- I think you are overestimating how much room you will have in the 150. You also list a lot of cichlids, which as mentioned, will thrive in different types of water. I would agree with duanes and rocksor, that 3 or 4 or even 10 generations of being tank raised, won't completely (or even partially) erase the millions of years evolution these fish have gone through to thrive in their environment. I do think that fish are generally pretty adaptable, and sure south american fish may not die if placed in harder water, and vice versa with CA cichlids. But if trying to advise somebody, it makes sense to advise the best possible scenario, which would be to keep fish in water as close as you can get to the conditions they enjoy in the wild, to me.
if the green terror is what you want to base the tank around, I would let the GT be the centerpiece. If you throw all those other cichlids in the tank, not only do I think it won't work out long term because of aggression, but the GT will become a side piece to the larger flashier cichlids like managuense.
Probably my favorite green terror tank belongs to
Stanzzzz7
on this site. Here's a link to his thread, the first pictures feature this tank. I think something more like this would be better; could do a group of GT's, or single GT with other smaller south American species
www.monsterfishkeepers.com
if the green terror is what you want to base the tank around, I would let the GT be the centerpiece. If you throw all those other cichlids in the tank, not only do I think it won't work out long term because of aggression, but the GT will become a side piece to the larger flashier cichlids like managuense.
Probably my favorite green terror tank belongs to
Stanzzzz7
on this site. Here's a link to his thread, the first pictures feature this tank. I think something more like this would be better; could do a group of GT's, or single GT with other smaller south American speciesMy natural style tanks and biotopes thread
Thought I would start a thread here of some of my tanks. If your a regular on the cichlid forums, I apologise as you will have seen these pictures before. I'm in the process of moving fish on to start new projects. I will show the progress of those on this thread as they occur. Here are some...
www.monsterfishkeepers.com
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I know you've got a GT that you keep in very hard water. I remember you joining the site a year or two ago and posting about it. I also remember you had a very long thread or two where you posted about all the medical problems your GT has experienced; if I remember the most prominent issue was possible HITH/bumps on your GT's head. Exactly the problems Duanes is talking about stemming from keeping soft water fish in hard water, are the same problems you've had with your fish.
And still you come out and publicly attempt to "call out" a member who has probably been keeping fish longer than you and I have been alive, and spends his time helping others online with his experience, for free? Because you've got one or two years experience keeping fish in which you've only been mildly successful? That's pretty arrogant and disrespectful of you, in my opinion.
An example of cichlid plasticity, because I do believe cichlids are very resilient, and able to adjust and evolve to varying conditions. I don't believe a few generations in tank is enough.
Lake Natron (and its satellite lakes) are young by evolutionary standards, only 13,000 to 8,000 years old (Loiselle, BB, 3/2019). And was colonized by a generic Tilapine, those 8,000 to 13,000 years ago. That Tilapine has over that time evolved into Alcolapia alcalicus, ndalalani and a few other totally different species, in order for it to cope, and to allow it to survive in the lakes different water parameters.
During that it has had to change shape, size, feeding habits, and I would suggest over that time many of the original Tilapines it evolved from, have died and changed drastically to get to this point. From a species similar to this 10" Coptodon zillii
Into this 4" Alcolapia alcalicus
Lake Natron (and its satellite lakes) are young by evolutionary standards, only 13,000 to 8,000 years old (Loiselle, BB, 3/2019). And was colonized by a generic Tilapine, those 8,000 to 13,000 years ago. That Tilapine has over that time evolved into Alcolapia alcalicus, ndalalani and a few other totally different species, in order for it to cope, and to allow it to survive in the lakes different water parameters.
During that it has had to change shape, size, feeding habits, and I would suggest over that time many of the original Tilapines it evolved from, have died and changed drastically to get to this point. From a species similar to this 10" Coptodon zillii
Into this 4" Alcolapia alcalicus
I have been keeping fish much longer. Only not larger cichlids.
Also, I'm not calling out anyone. But to suggest that is funny.
I think I responded to his post because it's a common statement from him. I simply questioning why.
I don't look at hard vs soft water in the same way. I don't feel like it's takes a whole bunch of evolving to adapt to different water conditions.
I'm not asking the fish to breath air here..
It's really not hard to see that hobbyist all over the globe keep fish from all kinds of conditions in tanks that don't even come.close to their natural water parameters and do just fine for sometimes longer than expected life spans.
Your simply lashing out because why? I don't get it.
Lashing out? Please. I don't want to de-rail the OP's thread any more, but I want to address this.
Here is your attempt to "call out" Duane. He just recently posted an informative thread about soft water cichlids in hard water, and vice versa. If you feel you are well informed, and wanted to debate about the topic, that would have been the place to do it. Many people did actually have great debates in that thread; don't see your posts anywhere. Posting it here in response to advice given, is just an attempt to "discredit" his advice, while you offer 0 to the original poster yourself. If instead of doing it like this, you had said something like "actually, fish from soft water regions can do quite well in hard water, here are the reasons I believe so, here are my experiences, etc." I would have no problem with it. Instead you wrote a smug one-sentence post which offers nothing to the conversation but to discredit someone else, who you have no business attempting to discredit.
And the tone of this post, again with 0 supporting information added, is probably what irked me. Now I've explained myself, I won't be addressing this in this thread anymore.
And I quote
"And still you come out and publicly attempt to "call out" a member who has probably been keeping fish longer than you and I have been alive, and spends his time helping others online with his experience, for free? Because you've got one or two years experience keeping fish in which you've only been mildly successful?"
I'm done with you. Your a moderator that needs moderating. I definitely don't need to be part of something that allows this kind of insulting tone to go on.
I won't post here any further, don't worry.
My GH is 143 (I tested it) I am not sure what my KH is the water report from the water company website doesnt show it.
My goal is to have a few schooling/busy fish. As well as a few larger more center piece fish. My BGRs I can rehome to a smaller tank if needed. I am not set on any particular fish. I think the loaches make good busy fish and my pleco is too big to go into a smaller tank.
Thank you
My goal is to have a few schooling/busy fish. As well as a few larger more center piece fish. My BGRs I can rehome to a smaller tank if needed. I am not set on any particular fish. I think the loaches make good busy fish and my pleco is too big to go into a smaller tank.
Thank you
I know that that fish breeder dean said he keeps his german blue rams in ph 8.4 and only lowers it for spawning. There are only a few species that i know of that have serious problems in harder water. Most of the fish in the hobby in the united states are bred in florida which has very hard, alkaline water.
