20” Sailfin Pictus Catfish - internal issue vs. ?

[dr exum]

continuing on here - same tank - bass currently have some cloudy eye -

it seems some of the bass have the cloudy eye - could be trauma from flashing -

i’ve done a 7 day course prazi - added prime during course nitrates got 40-60ppm

1 day levamisole bath - big gravel bath / wc

transitioned into 1% salt bath -

doing large water change now -

nitrates 10-20ppm - currently

going to give them a few days break before next prazi -

am i missing something? -

ordered metronidazole to treat 600g’s -

thanks all!

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

Beautiful pbass. Look healthy. No HITH, which is nice.

The cloudy eyes don't look like from physical abrasion. Do you observe flashing on the gravel etc.?

The cloudiness could be from stress and all the changes in the water chemistry and composition that have been occurring for a while now. Perhaps you can't help it, IDK, damned if you do damned if you don't case?

I guess if you suspect internal parasites even remotely, you gotta stay on course to do your best to cleanse but not kill the fish, which is not always the case.

Prazi and metro are said to not exhibit a harmful interaction in fish organism and can be combined into one treatment as I alluded to before. Best through feed. Do all feed as usual?

 

[dr exum]

Beautiful pbass. Look healthy. No HITH, which is nice.

The cloudy eyes don't look like from physical abrasion. Do you observe flashing on the gravel etc.?

The cloudiness could be from stress and all the changes in the water chemistry and composition that have been occurring for a while now. Perhaps you can't help it, IDK, damned if you do damned if you don't case?

I guess if you suspect internal parasites even remotely, you gotta stay on course to do your best to cleanse but not kill the fish, which is not always the case.

Prazi and metro are said to not exhibit a harmful interaction in fish organism and can be combined into one treatment as I alluded to before. Best through feed. Do all feed as usual?

yes - all are eating the same - going to monitor closer -

female mono has gotten a little skinny and not been eating as much- but she was digging a nest few weeks back....

thanks for feedback!

 

[dr exum]

it seems this may be the result of whatever killed the sailfin / l14

got the mono isolated treating with kanaplex-

 

[dr exum]

the female mono is coming up tomorrow on 3rd dose of kanaplex-

going to move to 75g to evaluate- can’t see in tub - her breathing is better is all i can tell -

other female ocel - eye looks like worse but better - less protrusions and more going on inside

main tank has been getting salt 1tsp per 5g or 1/3 the salinity of ich treatment for 2 weeks - still seen a few flashes - doing 150g water change every 2-3 days

considering treating big tank with Kanaplex-

any downside/ reservations to this? kno4te ?

thanks!

 

[kno4te]

I’d not treat unless there’s something going on in the big tank. If fish are in recovery then wait.

 

[dr exum]

I’d not treat unless there’s something going on in the big tank. If fish are in recovery then wait.

that’s the thing - i think it’s something that’s slow and smoldering - killed the cat/l14 -

i stopped prazi 1/2 way through the 2nd course when mono’s eye was getting progressively worse -

some appear to be scratching their eyes -

what would manifest in eye irritation?

i’d like to stamp it out and move on -

 

[0wen_96]

you gotta find out the symptoms and diagnosis the problem first. heres some links https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...ealth-diagnostics-read-before-posting.210102/ and https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/freshwater-disease-guide.168667/

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

Never met with specifically eye itchiness. Strange to me. The only eye problems I've ever met with I believed were bacterial... cloudiness, swelling. Doesn't mean it was so. It seems it is not unlike shooting in the dark at a moving target... unless one has a heap of money to unload on tests and vets, or at least top notch expert advisers in fish health at their disposal, of which I am not.

When in doubt or in complete darkness, I'd do a wide spectrum gram negative antibacterial and gram positive antibacterial treatment, wide spectrum external antiparasitic and wide spectrum internal antiparasitic and after that just watch and pray. I am one of those who'd rather experiment and learn and risk killing fish than sit and do nothing. All of this is of course only done AFTER all other troubleshooting comes up empty - the water, DO, stress, etc.

Prazi is said to be extremely mild, no side effects usually even at very generous overdose. If it was me, I'd probably not stop with the prazi until fulfilled the treatment. Sorry, not helpful now, but maybe for the future.

 

[dr exum]

Never met with specifically eye itchiness. Strange to me. The only eye problems I've ever met with I believed were bacterial... cloudiness, swelling. Doesn't mean it was so. It seems it is not unlike shooting in the dark at a moving target... unless one has a heap of money to unload on tests and vets, or at least top notch expert advisers in fish health at their disposal, of which I am not.

When in doubt or in complete darkness, I'd do a wide spectrum gram negative antibacterial and gram positive antibacterial treatment, wide spectrum external antiparasitic and wide spectrum internal antiparasitic and after that just watch and pray. I am one of those who'd rather experiment and learn and risk killing fish than sit and do nothing. All of this is of course only done AFTER all other troubleshooting comes up empty - the water, DO, stress, etc.

Prazi is said to be extremely mild, no side effects usually even at very generous overdose. If it was me, I'd probably not stop with the prazi until fulfilled the treatment. Sorry, not helpful now, but maybe for the future.

thanks victor!

after doing the watch and see for the sailfin pictus id like to be a bit more aggressive-

i like those 4 treatment ideas - negative / positive and internal / external -

what ever it is -septicemia is the outcome - leading to demise -