Help Stop legal actions against future importations relating to the Lacey Act

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
A few chain stores started making purchasers of any fish fill out a form that asks for your full name, address, phone number and a signature that you agree to the terms and conditions. That form is then put on file with DNR. Is that related in any way?
Also, our PetSmart only sells fish to people ages 18+
 
A few chain stores started making purchasers of any fish fill out a form that asks for your full name, address, phone number and a signature that you agree to the terms and conditions. That form is then put on file with DNR. Is that related in any way?
Also, our PetSmart only sells fish to people ages 18+

It's lame, was visiting a friend up in Northern California and his daughter had a tiny tank so we went to either Petco or Petsmart (can't remember) to help stock her tank. They also made me fill out a form and sign some papers to buy some damn community fish. It was pretty ridiculous and the employee was pretty aggressive about it too
 
Isn’t it funny, the single worst invasive species in the United States is the domestic cat and yet that is the one species that will of course get exempted from it. It reminds me of that bill they passed making it a federal crime to consume dog meat, so you can eat any other animal on the planet except dogs, i suppose to virtue signal to a portion of the electorate who get offended at the thought of someone eating a poor little doggy while they are stuffing their face with a veal burger.

Beyond that, can anyone point to a species of fish/invertebrate that was driven to extinction or near extinction due to the release of hobbyist aquarium species? I can’t think of any, but here are ones i can think of:

Alvord cutthroat trout, status: Extinct. Cause of extinction, government introducing invasive rainbow trout into the few creeks they lived in in the remote alvord basin.

Yellowfin cutthroat trout, status: Extinct. Cause of extinction, government introducing invasive rainbow trout into the twin lakes in colorado in which they lived.

Greenback cutthroat trout, status: Critically endangered. Cause of endangerment, government introducing invasive rainbow and brown trout into the mountain streams in which they lived.

Gila trout, status: Endangered. Cause of endangerment, government introducing invasive rainbow and brown trout into the mountain streams in which they lived.

Silver trout, status: Extinct. Cause of extinction, introduction of yellow perch by fishermen and rainbow and brown trout by government.

Longjaw Cisco, Deepwater Cisco, Blackfin Cisco, statuses: Extinct. Cause of extinction, the building of canals allowing the sea lamprey access to the great lakes.

I could go on, but as you can see there is clearly an invasive species problem, it just has little relation to the aquarium hobby or the pet trade and if you are going to target invasive species you should of course target the worst one of them all.


But we all know that will never happen. ?

C04B798B-647D-4A04-87FD-2A6F41B28FF7.jpeg
 
Beyond that, can anyone point to a species of fish/invertebrate that was driven to extinction or near extinction due to the release of hobbyist aquarium species? I can’t think of any, but here are ones i can think of:

Not that I don't agree with your sentiments, but personally the following came to mind immediately.

There is a marsh here in AB that was once the only home of the Banff longnose dace (Rhinichthys cataractae smithi), which was declared extinct in 1986, most certainly caused by the introduction of 3 tropical fish species, two of them being hobbyist aquarium species; Poecilia latipinna (sailfin mollie), and Hemichromis bimaculatus (jewel cichlid).

I suspect there are other cases of same if one took the time to research from a devils advocate perspective.
 
Another cold-water disaster story, a non-native hobbyist introduced species.
Goldfish – Invasive Species Centre

Huge Invasive Goldfish Found in Canada | Field & Stream (fieldandstream.com)

“Ever wonder what happens to pet goldfish when they end up in our waterways?,” tweeted Fisheries and Oceans Canada, which is the government department that manages the country’s oceans and inland waters. “By tracking these goldfish, we’ve learned that they’re breeding in Hamilton Harbour and targeting key spawning sites for native species like Northern Pike, tearing up aquatic plants for food, and clouding the waters with their waste.”

No need for the warm waters of the southern US to survive. Again, goldfish, along with hundreds/thousands of koi were being released into the Great Lakes and their tributaries back in the 50's/60's, when I was a kid. In the spring during their spawning period, my pals and I would spear them by the dozens. The waterway they were found (Little River) flowed directly into the Detroit River where it in turned flowed into Lake St. Clair. Even 50+ yrs ago the damage to native flora & fauna was already done, those non-native species turned that waterway into what locals referred to as **** creek.

All directly pointing back to hobbyists releasing their pet fish.

Not saying that the Govt isn't winning when it comes to making major blunders of introducing species that should have never been, but to ignore what our fellow hobbyists have also done over the past 100 years or more is not being very practical in a discussion such as this. It's not just about driving aquatic fish species into extinction, habitat destruction, which in turn creates a ripple effect with the aquatic organisms living in that environment, is also a key part of this discussion.
 
Last edited:
Quantifying invasion pathways: fish introductions from the aquarium trade
Authors: Erin Gertzen , Oriana Familiar , and Brian Leung AUTHORS INFO & AFFILIATIONS
Publication: Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences • 20 May 2008 • https://doi.org/10.1139/F08-056
https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/abs/10.1139/F08-056?journalCode=cjfas#

Abstract
Introduced species can cause economic and environmental harm. Researchers have developed risk assessment models for exotic species based on biological characteristics. However, few have quantified propagule pressure despite its relevance for establishment. Both are needed to identify invasion risk. We focused on fishes introduced via the aquarium trade, because this pathway transports thousands of species throughout the world. We developed an approach to estimate propagule pressure by (i) identifying and quantifying aquarium fishes sold, (ii) determining fish owner behavior and disposal practices, and (iii) quantifying uncertainty. We used the St. Lawrence Seaway as our model system. Only one nonestablished species (Tanichthys albonubes, 117 per year) had the propagule pressure and environmental tolerances to likely invade this region. However, overall, more than 10 000 fishes were released annually from Montréal (Quebec, Canada) alone. The implication of the observed propagule pressures is that the aquarium trade should be a very important pathway in other warmer habitats and should be explicitly assessed. Knowledge of the numbers introduced of each species will be useful for population models to estimate the probability of establishment.
 
The foundation of this bill has been built over many decades. This didn't just happen.

Good luck with the fight, I suspect that it probably won't end well.
 
It's lame, was visiting a friend up in Northern California and his daughter had a tiny tank so we went to either Petco or Petsmart (can't remember) to help stock her tank. They also made me fill out a form and sign some papers to buy some damn community fish. It was pretty ridiculous and the employee was pretty aggressive about it too
Before allowing myself to be treated like crap and talked down to by some Petsmart mook I would gave him an earful and told him where to file his little form!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Krismo962
I wasn’t aware of that case in Canada, but as far as i’m aware there hasn’t been a similar case here in the US. Not that native species are not experiencing pressure from tropical aquarium species in some regions of the country, but individual states do have the ability to ban species from being imported into their particular state and many of them do to some degree or another.

In some good news, apparently this bill passed the house in a 222-210 party line vote, which means it is going to die in the senate. So we might have dodged a bullet this time.

 
Before allowing myself to be treated like crap and talked down to by some Petsmart mook I would gave him an earful and told him where to file his little form!
Who wouldn’t but would you be able to get away with not buying the fish that a little 7 year old picked out for herself?

Oddly, that rule hasn’t reached Southern California as the Petsmart locally hasn’t even heard of the forms
 
MonsterFishKeepers.com