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Are we thinking of the same fish? Pygmy sunfish are about 1-1.5 inches. Not often found in stores, but relatively easy to get online. There are a couple different species. I know Ryan at wild fish tanks has them and there have been plenty on aquabid lately
 
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View attachment 1491387Plenty “fun” to be had even in a 5gal… i know u dont like guppies but my neons have been alive in here for 2 yrs now. Lots of options for tiny fish even in a 11” cube. The plants will keep ur water clean enough for most of the “general” tetras and what not. 2 many people think its about “space” these days. Its always about water quality. Lots of keepers who do no filtration at all in these types of tanks and still keep an erray of small fish aside from guppies.

Beautiful! Thank you, I think that was kind of the answer I was looking for. I had posted the same question on a FB group and felt like I was some evil fish monster for even considering buying anything smaller than a 20 gallon. Is an 11" cube really so different from a 10" in terms of space?
 
Beautiful! Thank you, I think that was kind of the answer I was looking for. I had posted the same question on a FB group and felt like I was some evil fish monster for even considering buying anything smaller than a 20 gallon. Is an 11" cube really so different from a 10" in terms of space?
People these days have lost the “enjoyment” of the hobby. Do what u want and enjoy it. Especially on such a small scale. A handful of .5”-1” fish will live quite happily in a 5-10gal tank. To answer ur previous question about “small” filtration. I use a tiny pump from a uv filter with a sponge on it ?. Also made a small bio reactor with k1 micro but really it was just for fun. I did “splurge” on the light, for fun also since its controlled by my phone. Its a fluval nano. With all “entry” level plants like anubias, sword, crypt parva and java ferns i keep it at 5-10% power. No additives or co2 is needed. The fish waste alone is enough. Ive kept 500-1k+gal tanks for over 15yrs. I will say my little 11” cube is very enjoyable to have around as a “novelty”. Wish u luck with urs ??
 
Here’s a 5 gal I have. It’s the topfin backlight, the filtration isn’t that good (the tank has to be kept at the minimum fill line for it to work) and neither is the light (backlight just blacks out everything in front) but the dimensions aren’t too bad. It has zebra danios which aren’t my first pic and I may move:
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This was an old 5G AIO that I got from Petsmart, and I used to keep two Scarlet Badis, a school of Kubotai Rasboras, some Tangerine Tiger Caridinas (shrimp), some Blue Dream Neocaridinas (shrimp), a pair of licorice gouramis, and a Bumblebee Otocinclus. There's a complete world of nano fish that's often overlooked, and it's entirely possible to make an awesome shrimpless nano fish tank. That being said, I am lucky enough to be somewhat close to a good aquatic expo that takes place every now and then, and a real nice LFS that carries a lot of oddballs. Either way, for stocking 5G tanks, my list generally composes of: smaller Badis species, Licorice and Sparkling Gouramis, Any Betta species (I know you said that bettas make you feel rather sad, and I can personally understand a part of that, but there are so many unique and cool betta species out there that don't resemble selectively-bred Splendens), killifish or most Fundulopanchax, although a 5G would be pretty small for one, Kubotai Rasboras, Celestial Pearl Danios (CPDs), Chili Rasboras, Gold Tetras, Harlequin Rasboras, Neon tetras (green, black, gold/platinum, albino, etc), Ember Tetras, White Cloud Mountain Minnows, African Butterfly Barbs, and the like; Dwarf Anchor Catfish, most Kuhli Loach species, Dwarf Habrosus/Chain Corydoras, Pygmy Corydoras, small halfbeaks (rather sensitive, rare, and oftentimes brackish, however), Endler guppies, various Otocinclus species, African Dwarf Frogs (not fish, but still), Crocodile Toothpick Fish (difficult to care for; select micropredator), Freshwater Pipefish (also select micropredator), Imitator Pea Puffers and regular Pea Puffers (both must be kept species-olIn terms of plants, just know how the specific species grows (epiphyte? rooted in substrate? column feeder? substrate feeder? ferts? CO2? light requirements?) and adjust from there; I would also recommend a good substrate (Fluval Stratum or Aquavitro Black Humate seem to work the best for me. Also, if you do choose to use these, DO NOT RINSE THEM, OR THEY WILL DISINTEGRATE), as this way you don't have to use root tabs as often. Good starter plants (in my opinion) are: Most Cryptocoryne, Most Vallisneria, Java Ferns, Anubias (although the variegated kinds often seem to melt without CO2 for me), some Bucephalandra, Amazon Swords, some Rotala species, Alternanthera, most mosses, Tiger Lotuses, and the like. All of these do best with a nutrient-dense substrate except for the Java Ferns, Anubias, and Bucephalandra. In terms of lighting, almost any bright LED will do, unless you're going for more high-tech plants. As for CO2, unfortunately I can't help you there, seeing as I prefer my low-tech setups to high-tech. In essence, a decent substrate, a decent light, basic knowledge of what you're doing, and that's pretty much it. As for smallest tank size, I'd personally not go anywhere smaller than 2.5 gallons, although tanks as small as a gallon can keep some very small species or fry. Would personally recommend a 5-7 gallon to hold a fair amount of fish. And yes, an elongated profile does help increase surface area and therefore can allow for slightly more fish, although there's a balance between far too long and long enough to be beneficial yet not detrimental- personally would say that if either the height or the width of the tank is shorter than 5 inches, then it's probably not as viable, although this is due to personal speculation and most likely is false. As for filters, sponge filters are generally pretty quiet and regarded as best, although most well-constructed filters with an outtake below the waterline are nearly silent as well.

Sorry if this isn't very helpful- I'm probably not one of the better advisors on this forum.
 
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This was an old 5G AIO that I got from Petsmart, and I used to keep two Scarlet Badis, a school of Kubotai Rasboras, some Tangerine Tiger Caridinas (shrimp), some Blue Dream Neocaridinas (shrimp), a pair of licorice gouramis, and a Bumblebee Otocinclus. There's a complete world of nano fish that's often overlooked, and it's entirely possible to make an awesome shrimpless nano fish tank. That being said, I am lucky enough to be somewhat close to a good aquatic expo that takes place every now and then, and a real nice LFS that carries a lot of oddballs. Either way, for stocking 5G tanks, my list generally composes of: smaller Badis species, Licorice and Sparkling Gouramis, Any Betta species (I know you said that bettas make you feel rather sad, and I can personally understand a part of that, but there are so many unique and cool betta species out there that don't resemble selectively-bred Splendens), killifish or most Fundulopanchax, although a 5G would be pretty small for one, Kubotai Rasboras, Celestial Pearl Danios (CPDs), Chili Rasboras, Gold Tetras, Harlequin Rasboras, Neon tetras (green, black, gold/platinum, albino, etc), Ember Tetras, White Cloud Mountain Minnows, African Butterfly Barbs, and the like; Dwarf Anchor Catfish, most Kuhli Loach species, Dwarf Habrosus/Chain Corydoras, Pygmy Corydoras, small halfbeaks (rather sensitive, rare, and oftentimes brackish, however), Endler guppies, various Otocinclus species, African Dwarf Frogs (not fish, but still), Crocodile Toothpick Fish (difficult to care for; select micropredator), Freshwater Pipefish (also select micropredator), Imitator Pea Puffers and regular Pea Puffers (both must be kept species-olIn terms of plants, just know how the specific species grows (epiphyte? rooted in substrate? column feeder? substrate feeder? ferts? CO2? light requirements?) and adjust from there; I would also recommend a good substrate (Fluval Stratum or Aquavitro Black Humate seem to work the best for me. Also, if you do choose to use these, DO NOT RINSE THEM, OR THEY WILL DISINTEGRATE), as this way you don't have to use root tabs as often. Good starter plants (in my opinion) are: Most Cryptocoryne, Most Vallisneria, Java Ferns, Anubias (although the variegated kinds often seem to melt without CO2 for me), some Bucephalandra, Amazon Swords, some Rotala species, Alternanthera, most mosses, Tiger Lotuses, and the like. All of these do best with a nutrient-dense substrate except for the Java Ferns, Anubias, and Bucephalandra. In terms of lighting, almost any bright LED will do, unless you're going for more high-tech plants. As for CO2, unfortunately I can't help you there, seeing as I prefer my low-tech setups to high-tech. In essence, a decent substrate, a decent light, basic knowledge of what you're doing, and that's pretty much it. As for smallest tank size, I'd personally not go anywhere smaller than 2.5 gallons, although tanks as small as a gallon can keep some very small species or fry. Would personally recommend a 5-7 gallon to hold a fair amount of fish. And yes, an elongated profile does help increase surface area and therefore can allow for slightly more fish, although there's a balance between far too long and long enough to be beneficial yet not detrimental- personally would say that if either the height or the width of the tank is shorter than 5 inches, then it's probably not as viable, although this is due to personal speculation and most likely is false. As for filters, sponge filters are generally pretty quiet and regarded as best, although most well-constructed filters with an outtake below the waterline are nearly silent as well.

Sorry if this isn't very helpful- I'm probably not one of the better advisors on this forum.

Wonderfully detailed reply. Thank you! I will look into some of these other fish options and the list of plants is great - that was my next question haha
 
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Ive kept 500-1k+gal tanks for over 15yrs. I will say my little 11” cube is very enjoyable to have around as a “novelty”. Wish u luck with urs ??

I agree with this 10000%, a small planted tank with small fish is a surprisingly enjoyable thing to have if you are a monster fish keeper.
Although the discrepancy between my monster tanks (a pair of 473 liters, one of which may be upgraded to a custom large-footprint 682 liter in some years) and my small planted tank (110 liters) is not as great as with yours, the enjoyment never wears out. Perhaps because the 110 liter is less than 2 meters away from 1 of the 473 liters, so I can watch one immediately after watching the other and get the enjoyment in massive amounts from that, lol.

For Jennie, I also wish you the best of luck with this. Some advice of my own would be that if the amount of plants is large enough compared to the fish, you don't even need a filter.
Speaking from firsthand experience when I say this. My 110 liter's filter is currently being used in my quarantine tank, but the NO3 in the 110 liter is consistently at 0 because the plant mass is so great relative to the fish.

With that said, don't attempt this without proper experimentation first. I advise to run a filter at first along with the fish and plants, and only stop using it if your NO3 is 0. That way, you don't run the risk of having too little plant mass and killing your fish.

Edit: Looks like Wednesday already mentioned how only plants can keep the tank clean with no filter. Nonetheless, the experimentation tip will hopefully help.
 
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And I forgot to mention another big reason I believe it's so satisfying. This came to me a week or two ago and I had been contemplating making a thread about it.
Having that small planted tank alongside your monster tanks doesn't just give you the best of both worlds, it really puts your monster fish keeping into perspective.

For example, the majority of fishkeepers have tanks in the size range of a 110 liter, meaning the fish they can have are fairly restricted compared to a fishkeeper with a 473 liter. To them, a 473 liter is an absolutely crazy tank to have, let alone a pair of 473 liters with the possibility of one being upgraded to a 681 liter.
The knowledge that this is the case makes me that much happier with not only my 473 liters, but my 110 liter too for helping me realize it is the case. Anyone else feel similar?
 
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