360 gallon sump/drain opinions needed

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I just picked up a 360 gallon acrylic tank that does not have overflows. I'm going to be filtering it with a 125 gallon sump. I also have two Jebao DCP-10000 pumps I'd like to use for the returns.

Here is where I need opinions:

How would you set this up?

Would you install external overflows?

Would you just do external stand pipes through bulkheads?

Other options I'm not thinking of?
 
I just picked up a 360 gallon acrylic tank that does not have overflows. I'm going to be filtering it with a 125 gallon sump. I also have two Jebao DCP-10000 pumps I'd like to use for the returns.

Here is where I need opinions:

How would you set this up?

Would you install external overflows?

Would you just do external stand pipes through bulkheads?

Other options I'm not thinking of?
duanes duanes
 
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put some bulkheads thru the back of the tank with covers on them
I agree.
Although I have used them, I'm not a fan of stand pipes.
I prefer to drill on either the back or on a side near the tank rim, eliminating those long vertical pipe cluttering up the inside of the tank.
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I also prefer to skim the surface for water to the sump, as the air water interface seems to collect the worst most toxic gunk, and hindrances to air exchange stuff (even though it is not the most visible).
And because I keep riverine species I prefer the water to enter at the opposite end to create flow pumping along the length of the tank to the sump.
I am also using a 125 gal as a sump, but as opposed to the standard way of using it (beneath the tank) I have it placed kitty corner, and only use about 1/8 of it for bio- and mechanical media, the other 7/8th is heavily planted with aquatic, semi-aquatic and terrestrial plants, which also hold plenty of beneficial bacteria but also help to mitigate nitrate, something most sumps don't do.
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As you can see, from a shot while completion was in progress, the space for the pump, mech and bio media is tiny in comparison to the rest of the sump, that was eventually heavily planted.
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With this configuration, there have never been ammonia speaks, or even nitrate concentrations of more than 5ppm.
I believe the heavy plantings eat the nitrate as fast as it is produced by metabolism
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The top external elbow(s) on overflows should be replaced with a TEE and extended vertical breather tube with an insect proof screen or cap. This expells any air bubbles which create surprisingly high friction head and reduces the gurgling sound.
 
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duanes duanes - thank you, this is what I was looking for. That first picture you posted is what I had in mind when I said external stand pipe in my first post.

I'm planning for my sump to be basically a giant planted refugium with as many emergent growing plants as I can pack into it

I'm not doing true rheophilic species in this tank. I'm thinking this tank will be either an amphilophus or vieja type community tank. What kind of gph should I be looking at? How many times should I be turning the tank over per hour?
 
The top external elbow(s) on overflows should be replaced with a TEE and extended vertical breather tube with an insect proof screen or cap. This expells any air bubbles which create surprisingly high friction head and reduces the gurgling sound.

Thanks, that's how I've seen external pipes done in the past. With a small hole drilled in the cap.
 
I run a 1500 gph pump on my system, which is a 180 gal main tank to the sump, I would assume a pump double that size would "not" be too much for yours.
Below is a video of mine before I added the much larger sump.
Since the fish I have at the moment (Andinoacara) are basic riverine species (not overly -rheophillic) I used the manifold to spread out flow across the tank, as opposed to concentrating it in a rapids manner.
This is about the same way it was run when keeping Vieja, and Ampillophus in the past.
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I prefer to drill overflows and returns through a wall panel, not the bottom of the tank. For that size tank, the two return pumps you already have, and your intended stocking I would install 2x main drains of 1
5", 2x emergency drains of 1.5", and two return lines of at least 1".

My most recent build, 7' 200g, is set up with these exact specs and I run the same 2x jebao dcp-10ks you have. I installed 2 separate overflows on the back wall.
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