Strange string of Rainbowfish deaths

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Recently I had some boesemani rainbowfish die off one by one, with a couple weeks in between each death. The first few I only noticed something wrong when they were struggling to stay upright, and rolling around in the current, and and they died right after putting them into a hospital tank. The next few I noticed excessive darting, which they used to keep upright. I was able to separate these into a hospital tank sooner, but they died within 2 days.

The last one I noticed early that it was staying in one place while moving the tail and fins excessively to keep upright. This one I placed in a hospital tank and noticed the progression of the disease; the fish would try to stay upright and succeed, but overtime would need more effort to stay upright. Eventually the fish expended so much effort keeping upright it would not eat or move, until it flips over and floats around tail and belly up. It eventually wastes away and starves to death.

Initially, I suspected internal parasites and treated with prazipro. The deaths did pause for a month afterwards, however it eventually resumed and fish began to die again. I have one right now showing symptoms, and have begun to treat with erythromycin. As of today (2nd day treatment), the fish is staying in place, with higher than normal tail and fin movement to keep upright.


Symptoms I noticed:

1. Fish stays in place, with unusual fin and tail activity to prevent tipping over on side. Occasionally tips over, but quickly corrects self with quick dart.

2. Fish has slight S-curved spine when looked at top-down, showing up shortly after fish initially begins to tip over.

3. Fish begins to flip over with tail pointing up, but is able to turn upright.

4. Fish stops eating once staying upright requires more effort. Begins to starve and waste away.

5. Fish becomes emaciated, and eventually dies within 2-3 days of not eating.



Currently, I have ruled out parasites due to dosing prazipro and levamisole earlier. I am not sure if this is some bacterial infection or extremely poor genetics. All fish that have died so far are from 2 groups. Group 1 began to die off 4 months after I received them. Group 2 I received 3 months after group 1, and they died off 1 month after the last of group 1 died.

Any ideas on what this may be?
 
Recently I had some boesemani rainbowfish die off one by one, with a couple weeks in between each death. The first few I only noticed something wrong when they were struggling to stay upright, and rolling around in the current, and and they died right after putting them into a hospital tank. The next few I noticed excessive darting, which they used to keep upright. I was able to separate these into a hospital tank sooner, but they died within 2 days.

The last one I noticed early that it was staying in one place while moving the tail and fins excessively to keep upright. This one I placed in a hospital tank and noticed the progression of the disease; the fish would try to stay upright and succeed, but overtime would need more effort to stay upright. Eventually the fish expended so much effort keeping upright it would not eat or move, until it flips over and floats around tail and belly up. It eventually wastes away and starves to death.

Initially, I suspected internal parasites and treated with prazipro. The deaths did pause for a month afterwards, however it eventually resumed and fish began to die again. I have one right now showing symptoms, and have begun to treat with erythromycin. As of today (2nd day treatment), the fish is staying in place, with higher than normal tail and fin movement to keep upright.


Symptoms I noticed:

1. Fish stays in place, with unusual fin and tail activity to prevent tipping over on side. Occasionally tips over, but quickly corrects self with quick dart.

2. Fish has slight S-curved spine when looked at top-down, showing up shortly after fish initially begins to tip over.

3. Fish begins to flip over with tail pointing up, but is able to turn upright.

4. Fish stops eating once staying upright requires more effort. Begins to starve and waste away.

5. Fish becomes emaciated, and eventually dies within 2-3 days of not eating.



Currently, I have ruled out parasites due to dosing prazipro and levamisole earlier. I am not sure if this is some bacterial infection or extremely poor genetics. All fish that have died so far are from 2 groups. Group 1 began to die off 4 months after I received them. Group 2 I received 3 months after group 1, and they died off 1 month after the last of group 1 died.

Any ideas on what this may be?
I had something similar happen with my fancy goldfish but it progressed MUCH faster and they died within an hour of turning upside down
Maybe gas bubble disease check your water for elevated gas (bubbles) or some type of internal infection
( take everything I say with a grain of salt as I am still beginning I am almost a year In this hobby)
 
I had something similar happen with my fancy goldfish but it progressed MUCH faster and they died within an hour of turning upside down
Maybe gas bubble disease check your water for elevated gas (bubbles) or some type of internal infection
( take everything I say with a grain of salt as I am still beginning I am almost a year In this hobby)

It may indeed be an internal infection. The first round of erythromycin seems to have helped. She's no longer struggling to maintain an upright position, and the slight bend in her posture has corrected.

However, she's not eating much now. I'm not sure if it's from the stress of medication or being isolated. I'm going to take her through another round of erythromycin and hopefully she recovers enough to be put back in the main tank.
 
It may indeed be an internal infection. The first round of erythromycin seems to have helped. She's no longer struggling to maintain an upright position, and the slight bend in her posture has corrected.

However, she's not eating much now. I'm not sure if it's from the stress of medication or being isolated. I'm going to take her through another round of erythromycin and hopefully she recovers enough to be put back in the main tank.
Perhaps they did have parasites but prazi pro killed them or and the infection is secondary due to the weak immune system OR the prazipo only killed the live worms and the eggs were still alive or it didn’t kill all the worms as it is not normal for a contagious internal infection
 
It may indeed be an internal infection. The first round of erythromycin seems to have helped. She's no longer struggling to maintain an upright position, and the slight bend in her posture has corrected.

However, she's not eating much now. I'm not sure if it's from the stress of medication or being isolated. I'm going to take her through another round of erythromycin and hopefully she recovers enough to be put back in the main tank.
Everything does point to parasites
 
Perhaps they did have parasites but prazi pro killed them or and the infection is secondary due to the weak immune system OR the prazipo only killed the live worms and the eggs were still alive or it didn’t kill all the worms as it is not normal for a contagious internal infection

It may be a secondary infection, but it is unusual since there's a delay between each fish death. Any parasites should be dead, I did 1 round of levamisole followed by 2 rounds of prazipro over 3 weeks.

Also, it is really strange because my catfish in the tank are fine.
 
It may be a secondary infection, but it is unusual since there's a delay between each fish death. Any parasites should be dead, I did 1 round of levamisole followed by 2 rounds of prazipro over 3 weeks.

Also, it is really strange because my catfish in the tank are fine.
Do a dissection of the dead fish to make sure it isn’t parasites, catfish are more Hardy rainbow fish are very fragile and put tank water/ dead fish under microscope if u want ( it could be a medicine resist strain of parasite) but for now keep medicating
 
Fish is maintaining somewhat. The Erythromycin seems to have helped a bit. She is no longer twitching like crazy to maintain her position, just slightly more fin and tail movement. Tail seems to have frayed very slightly. She stopped eating the 4th day, but as of today has begun to eat again. She seems to have regained some energy and is darting around to catch food.

However, her spine is still slightly bent sideways, and she still rocks a bit side-to-side when swimming fast. Not sure if this is from the sickness or an injured spine.

Hopefully the improvements continue.
 
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