Thoughts on sealing a bathtub's drains

[Andyroo]

I've got a couple of 1950s-60s bathtubs down in the lower garden, from when we refit this ol' farmhouse. Thanks again to Fishdance for walking me through the 230gal in-wall-install.

The tubs hold water nicely for a time, then they leak-out, dry, then hold water again to start over. It seems tree roots are getting up & into the main/bottom drain; they're only plugged with a & needing to replace (mozzie control) but the other stuff mostly just comes back up. I'm not in any rush to kill/damage my avocado tree

SO, what thoughts on permanently sealing? I'm thinking polyurathane (5200'ish) around/under the bath-stopper, or a hard plastic or concrete disk, or maybe dome the cement in & over the hole & then seal with epoxy/polyurethane. All will be ugly if/when visible - with mud & plants I'm not terribly worried about that so long as I can get some lotus properly established, maybe some flowers, maybe some nuts, maybe some prettier guppies.

We don't suffer winter 'round here, no.

 

[wednesday13]

3m 5200 is good stuff… not sure anything will stick that well to the tub material tho. Id go with a butterfly type plug. You can take it out to drain and clean the tubs if needed also. They come in an erray of sizes and styles.

 

[zainwahid]

Hey, really appreciate the creative brainstorming here! Sealing those vintage tubs for a garden pond is such a cool idea, especially since the tree roots are playing plumber.


A couple of thoughts you might find helpful:

• Modular approach: wednesday 13’s butterfly plug idea is smart—it keeps things serviceable if you ever need to drain or clean the tubs without disturbing the seal.
• Long-term seal options: Polyurethane or epoxy over a concrete or plastic disk could be solid, but compatibility with the tub material is key. Sealants like 3M 5200 are super durable just make sure they’ll stick, as noted.
• Maintenance & ecosystem balance: Since you're planting lotus and maybe even introducing pretty guppies, keeping the system accessible matters—a good seal is only part of the equation.
• Enter the “weed rake”: As your pond beds in and begins to grow, roots or surface debris could accumulate. A weed rake could be a subtle yet useful tool here—especially when you want to delicately tidy up without disturbing the plants or seal. It lets you gently remove stringy algae, fallen leaves, or tangled roots around the drain area, which gives the seal a longer life and keeps your lotus and guppies thriving.

 

[zainwahid]

Interesting thread! If tree roots are the main issue, sealing the bathtub drain sounds like a smart move. I’ve had a similar problem where roots and debris would clog outdoor water features. One thing that helped me was keeping the area around the tubs clear with a weed rake, since overgrowth and roots can sneak into any small gaps. Once you seal the drain properly (maybe with epoxy or a strong plug), keeping the surroundings tidy with tools like that can really reduce future blockages.

 

[zainwahid]

Wow, sealing those vintage tubs for a garden pond is such a creative idea—especially with avocado tree roots sneaking into the drain! The idea of establishing lotus in the tubs sounds absolutely dreamy and matches the aesthetic perfectly.
I like the blended approach: use a butterfly plug (a great suggestion by wednesday13) for easy drainage and cleaning, and for a more permanent seal place a hard plastic or concrete disk over the drain. Then apply a strong sealant such as 3M 5200, epoxy, or polyurethane around or over that disk. Just be sure the sealant will properly bond to the tub material first.
That way, you keep your tubs functional for maintenance while still creating a cozy, seal-proof haven where water-loving lotus can thrive.

 

[jjohnwm]

The "blended" approach? Sounds like the worst of both worlds. A bugeocellky, removable butterfly plug (which I think is the perfect solution here) but then a concrete disk on top of that...and sealed with a new super adhesive? Makes no sense to buy the big mechanical plug and then embed it into a "permanent" glob of assorted sealants and stuff.

The butterfly plug really only works well when the drain is not simply a hole in a flat bottom surface of metal or whatever material the tub is made of. This plug expands and seals against the sides of a tapered hole or "tube" and isn't designed to seal off a hole in some thin flat material.

If you have that type of tub drain, then I think you'd be best off cutting two round disks of plastic, acrylic, metal, etc. and then placing one inside and the other outside the tub wall, adhering them together and filling any gaps between with something like 5200 sealant. If you have access to Geocel4500 roof sealant, that stuff will adhere an ice cube to an oily surface; incredible product. I suspect that a bead of that run around the perimeter of the disk would be as permanent as you can possibly want. Whatever sealant you decide to use, try it out before hand on a dry surface of the tub; if, after allowing it to cure, you can't simply "roll" it off with your thumb, you should be golden.

Insinuating tree roots are relentless and can eventually push their way through almost anything; the bottom disc, adhered to the underside of the tube and through the drain hole to the upper disk, will discourage this. A sealing bead around that disk as well wouldn't hurt and would be easy to apply.


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[zainwahid]

The "blended" approach? Sounds like the worst of both worlds. A bugeocellky, removable butterfly plug (which I think is the perfect solution here) but then a concrete disk on top of that...and sealed with a new super adhesive? Makes no sense to buy the big mechanical plug and then embed it into a "permanent" glob of assorted sealants and stuff.

The butterfly plug really only works well when the drain is not simply a hole in a flat bottom surface of metal or whatever material the tub is made of. This plug expands and seals against the sides of a tapered hole or "tube" and isn't designed to seal off a hole in some thin flat material.

If you have that type of tub drain, then I think you'd be best off cutting two round disks of plastic, acrylic, metal, etc. and then placing one inside and the other outside the tub wall, adhering them together and filling any gaps between with something like 5200 sealant. If you have access to Geocel4500 roof sealant, that stuff will adhere an ice cube to an oily surface; incredible product. I suspect that a bead of that run around the perimeter of the disk would be as permanent as you can possibly want. Whatever sealant you decide to use, try it out before hand on a dry surface of the tub; if, after allowing it to cure, you can't simply "roll" it off with your thumb, you should be golden.

Insinuating tree roots are relentless and can eventually push their way through almost anything; the bottom disc, adhered to the underside of the tube and through the drain hole to the upper disk, will discourage this. A sealing bead around that disk as well wouldn't hurt and would be easy to apply.


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I really like your suggestion about using two disks and sealing them with something strong like 5200 or Geocel4500. Testing the seal first on a dry surface is a smart tip too better to know it works before committing. Definitely makes me rethink the approach and focus on a method that’s actually going to last.

 

[jjohnwm]

Yup...bot.

 

[zainwahid]

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[zainwahid]

This is such a creative project vintage bathtubs as garden ponds! Sealing the drains to outsmart those sneaky avocado tree roots is a smart move.
Here’s a refined approach that blends functionality with long-term performance:

• Modular yet secure
  I love the butterfly plug idea from wednesday13 it’s practical for draining and cleaning. But for a more robust solution, consider placing a hard plastic or concrete disk over the drain and sealing it with a marine-grade sealant like 3M 5200 or a high-bond epoxy. Just be sure to test adhesion to your specific tub material first.
• Ease of maintenance matters
  A removable plug ensures you can service the pond or swap out water easily. It gives you flexibility as your lotus bed grows and the ecosystem evolves. Protecting that seal while still having access is key.
• Ecosystem-friendly extras
  Since you’re planning to introduce plants like lotus—and maybe some fish—keeping the system functional is vital. Tools like a weed rake can help gently clear debris and maintain the seal’s integrity.
• Introducing koi pond kits
  Have you considered using koi pond kits as inspiration or even real components? Those pre-packaged kits often include durable, pond-safe sealants, flexible liners, and filtration setups designed for plant and fish harmony. You could adapt techniques or products from koi pond kits to enhance drainage, sealing durability, and overall ecosystem health.