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The leader of the official opposition party here in Canuckistan is currently attempting to introduce legislation that actually recognizes the "castle doctrine" idea. An amazing concept up here, in a land where we are indeed expected to jump out windows rather than confronting an intruder in our own homes.

Probably hasn't got a prayer of ever passing. Much more satisfying for our overlords to continue exerting the full weight of the law upon the victims of crime rather than the perpetrators.
 
Sorry to hear that John...that he hasn't a prayer I mean...as an Australian I fell your pain...Australian authorities just outlawed machetes and placed drop bins where they could be turned in....cause we know that the ppl that use them to break the law and slash up their victims are going to comply with their "wonderful" edict to turn them in right?? or face "heavy fines" SMH :headshake
I do live in the US now, and even though there's a lot of craziness here across your southern border, it is nice to be able to defend ones self against the perps....for now of course...
 
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Society decided it was to blame for much crime, and decided to punish itself by ignoring much crime.

Harder and harder too, for at least 60 years now by my estimation.

Fatigue has finally set in, and so now things will swing like a pendulum. Do not stand in the way. It cannot stop now that it is released.

The indulgences of the past will be seen in a new light.
 

In Canada, one can defend themselves, but unlike some parts of the world, you can’t shoot a kid in the face, because they accidentally pounded on your door, thinking it was their buddy’s house 2 doors down.

In Canada, the use of force for self-defence is governed by Section 34 of the Criminal Code, which requires a reasonable belief that force is being used or threatened, a defensive purpose, and that the force used is reasonable in the circumstances. Factors determining reasonableness include the nature of the threat, whether a weapon was involved, the size and capabilities of the people involved, and the relationship history between parties. Unlike the US "stand your ground" laws, Canada does not have a duty to retreat, but the force used must always be a proportional response to the threat and not intended to cause excessive harm.

The problem with Canada’s self defence law, isn’t that one can’t defend themselves, it is the numerous legal hoops that one must often jump through to prove one’s innocence. As in, the violence on another person was justified, even if it ends with death. See link above, up here that is often more the exception, than the rule. That local homeowner walked away legally unscathed. Then again, I live in the hillbilly part of Canada. 🇨🇦
 
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The problem with Canada’s self defence law, isn’t that one can’t defend themselves, it is the numerous legal hoops that one must often jump through to prove one’s innocence.
And that is indeed the problem, in a nutshell. That instance noted above, where the homeowner was not charged, is so rare as to be virtually unique. Typically, the homeowner's life is, in practical terms, essentially over the moment the invasion takes place; if he is not killed or seriously injured during the invasion event, he will have his life destroyed, at least in a financial sense, by the costs of defending himself in court after the fact. Yes, in most cases the case is won...eventually... by the defendant, i.e. the homeowner, but at that point the stress of a lengthy trial has been heaped onto the extreme emotional and psychological stresses that accompany the taking of a life (or even causing injury to the invader) and this is of course compounded by a 6-figure bill for legal costs.

The newly proposed legislation mentioned earlier is designed to provide legal protection for the homeowner from this horror show. Will it achieve this goal? Who knows?

But the simple fact is that there is, or can be, a huge difference in a pragmatic sense between what the law says and how it is interpreted and manipulated by prosecutors. In Canada, the default reaction seems to be to automatically charge the homeowner and prosecute him/her to the fullest extent possible; sure, he will likely prevail in court in the end, but until then...wow.

It's disturbing to observe how these violent interactions are viewed and treated by the legal system; the use of "appropriate" force is obviously an important and valid concern, but it shouldn't be carried to the point where the home invasion is interpreted and analyzed almost like some surreal sporting event.

If my home is broken into by another 70-ish-year-old man, I feel fairly comfortable in my ability to give a good accounting of myself even if unarmed. If the uninvited visitors are a couple of guys in their 20's...all bets are off. I would do whatever was necessary to insure the safety of myself and my wife without much immediate thought for the rules of engagement. If the visitors have demonstrated that they are a threat, how can one respond otherwise? At that point, my concern would be winning, rather than playing fair. And, sadly, I would also be aware that however the encounter ended...my life as I know it would be over before the encounter even began.

When seconds count...the police are minutes away. In fact, in rural locations, they are many minutes away. Who ya gonna call?
 
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Hello; I understand there will be legal aftermath for a homeowner here in TN if the homeowner resorts to force to defend himself or property. I recall the time when a student tried to cut me with a broken bottle on the stairwell of my school. I had to have a hearing before the school board because I side kicked his knee during the event.
It is taught during self defense classes that even when in the right there can be consequences to legal use of force. As others have posted at least legal fees for your lawyer. I tend to group the lawyers in with the criminals in cases such as the one I linked in my earlier post. The case where store employees beat up a thief who returned to further steal a car after finding the keys in a jacket he stole. The lawyers are going after a fee from the deeper pockets of the store owners.
What is the rock song in which the lyric is a lawyer can steal more than someone with a gun?
The lawsuit was more the crime in that story than the crime itself.

Are lawyer jokes allowed on here now? If so i have a few.
 
But the simple fact is that there is, or can be, a huge difference in a pragmatic sense between what the law says and how it is interpreted and manipulated by prosecutors. In Canada, the default reaction seems to be to automatically charge the homeowner and prosecute him/her to the fullest extent possible; sure, he will likely prevail in court in the end, but until then...wow.

Yes, agreed. The entire justice system is so far funged up here that I don’t see a fix in my lifetime. In fact, it has only gotten worse since the 1960’s. Today, people of color, especially indigenous folks, almost get a free pass by our government when it comes to the sentencing for violent crimes. This is just a simple fact, not a judgement regarding skin color etc. It’s referred to as race based sentencing.

In Canada, the perps somehow become the victims. Pathetic…..
 
Btw John, you might recall this. The brutal rape and murder of a 17 yr old girl in 1970, Windsor ON.
She was my older sisters best friend, and her brother one of my older brothers good friends. I remember my sister crying for days. Veronica’s body was found by an elderly neighbour, my grade 3 teacher. The POS that murdered her got I think 10 yrs, and was out on good behaviour in 7. I might have the time served and sentence wrong, but I think I’m pretty close. He was rehabilitated, and at the time of the crime the poor soul was all messed up on drugs, and had mental health issues. This was the justice system here in 1970.
 
It has been difficult in many parts of California. Lots of ill will, and politics so dirty the world has no real clue yet. Not even inside the state.

All will be revealed in time.

MEANWHILE….

My Oscars have laid eggs after dinner yesterday. I noticed them nesting in the AM, but what a surprise!

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I took a couple pics, dimmed the lights and went to bed early.

It’s been 12 hours, but I think it takes over 30 to hatch.
 
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Btw John, you might recall this. The brutal rape and murder of a 17 yr old girl in 1970, Windsor ON.
She was my older sisters best friend, and her brother one of my older brothers good friends. I remember my sister crying for days. Veronica’s body was found by an elderly neighbour, my grade 3 teacher. The POS that murdered her got I think 10 yrs, and was out on good behaviour in 7. I might have the time served and sentence wrong, but I think I’m pretty close. He was rehabilitated, and at the time of the crime the poor soul was all messed up on drugs, and had mental health issues. This was the justice system here in 1970.
I lived in Windsor then, can't say I recall that specific case but there have always been examples of the pathetic state of the Canadian justice system through the years.

There was a case that struck a chord with me and my co-workers in Toronto. A tradesman working a midnight shift...which we were doing at that time as well...arrived home in the wee hours of pre-dawn after his work shift and, as he emerged from his car in his own driveway, was set upon by a group of ne'er-do-wells. He was beaten and then locked into the trunk of his car, which they then took on a joyride for an extended period. The badly-beaten fellow in the trunk armed himself with a large knife that was kept there and, when the a-holes finally stopped the car and opened the trunk, he lunged out with it and killed one of them. The rest fled and he was able to get indoors and call an ambulance and the cops.

As I recall, he was charged with some degree of murder, manslaughter, whatever. He was carted off to the hospital and then directly to jail from there, and it was difficult to find further information in the ensuing days regarding the disposition of his charges. He was eventually released and the charges dropped, but I guess that wasn't the kind of story that the press was seeking and so they didn't pay much attention to him.

But the guy who wound up with a knife in his gut was the subject of several long tear-jerking articles that detailed his sad upbringing, the terrible way that society had failed him and eventually drove him to make the poor choices he had made. We heard all about what a "good boy" he was, well-liked by neighbours and friends, dearly loved by family, smart, full of potential, the victim of a system that was stacked against him from birth, blah, blah, blah. I recall a couple of those stories were penned by a female reporter who seemed to specialize in exactly that type of story; her by-line photo always looked as though she were about to burst into tears and it suited her writing perfectly.

One of my co-workers knew this "poor lad" and his family. According to him...the guy was a dangerous antisocial POS and the world was a much better place with him deleted from it.

Spin doctors rule the world.
 
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