125 Gal Filtration Setup Questions (Lots)

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First off its probably a good idea to mention infos for this future tank.
So this will be a freshwater tank, I plan on stocking 4-6 Oscars (w/1 or 2 common plecos) or a ton of mbunas/haps/peacocks. Atm im leaning towards the oscars. As for substrate im planning on using some kind of sand, not sure yet which type but i heard pool filter sand is good/cheap. (Not sure where to get them though)
4-6 is probably going to be too much. Bioload shouldn't be a problem with adequate filtration and water changes, but I think you'll run into aggression issues with more than 2 (especially when the get large/pair). Pool filter sand is a great choice. Any place that sells pool supplies should have it.

So a few questions about the Oscars: What type of plecos should i include with them, I figured the common plecos grow to a fairly large size so this will be somewhat decent company with them. If there are better types what type would they be and why? How many Oscars should i be able to stock in the 125 Gal with a decent filtration.

Anything that is big enough to not fit in the oscars mouth will be fine for a pleco. Commons will work but may eventually get too large. I would go with a pair of oscars and several dithers, or perhaps you could get lucky and other large central/sa cichlids to get along with them. There will be a lot of trial and error.


Now my plan is to create a sump filtration for this tank as its main filtration and water circulation. As for the pump that i will be using, the nearest home depot I have in my area is selling Maxflo pumps, that pumps at max 4500 GPH, at 10' head it does about 3200GPH ($226 w/tax). (Is this type of pump somewhat decent/recommended for use of sumps for fish tanks) Now the 10' head is my estimate of how much the length of the water needs to travel to go into the tank. (6' to go up and 4' is the length i plan on using for the spray bar.) I know i have a huge turnover for this tank but i figured huge fish with big poop, a monster filtration is needed, plus i plan on slightly overstocking to prevent aggression between small number of fishes.

Wet/dry filters are awesome. However, I would not flow that much on that tank. It's not necessary. If you flow 3x per hour the water will be clean and clear. If you get some floating particles from the messy oscars you can add a powerhead with a sponge or a HOB for added mechanical filtration. I would look into a pump online which will use less power and cost less initially. I'm a huge fan of reeflo sequence pumps. Very efficient and they have a good warranty as well.

As for the overflow box im really not sure how big it should be at least close to 1500-1600 GPH. In terms of the sizes of the slit, LxWxH of the box itself, how far off it should be from the top and sides to make cleaning the sides easier. Any suggestions for this would be great. Now once the size of the overflow box is determined, now i need to know how far off the sides and from the top my tank should be drilled, starting from the bottom of the black trimming?

If you're getting a HOB overflow box then you won't have to worry about it. Always make sure that it can flow more than the pump.
If you're drilling the tank (in the back) you still don't need the overflow box. You can then use a bulkhead fitting and some PVC.
Now as for the spray bar, should it be submerged or on top of the water. I figured depending on how strong the flow would be if over the water it may be shooting at a strong pressure with holes. But if it was a long slit line would it create a waterfall effect or would it still shoot out at 3200 GPH at a strong rate. Also i have thought about adding holes on the sides and a few smaller ones as well aiming at the bottom of the tank, but would it disturb the sand at the back of the tank a lot like pushing it forward? Also what ways can I set this up so that if there was a power failure the water wont come gushing down my sump if i did end up submerging it underwater?

I would install it right at the water surface so you can adjust it to either direct flow up or down. You can go under water with out a problem. You don't need to worry about surface agitation because of the wet/dry. Also, as long as you drill a small hole in the PVC right below the water line, you won't have to worry about it siphoning back into the sump.

Also I plan on using ball valves in both the intake and my return line, so that i can perfectly match the flow and return. Also in terms of the maintenance, is their a proper way to turn off the intakes/return line first?
There isn't a need for a ball valve on the overflow. You're not matching flow from the overflow to the pump. Think of it literally as an overflow. It can only take out as much water and the pump returns to the tank. In other words, whatever water is displaced by the water coming back into the tank will overflow into the sump. You run into an issue when the pump delivers more water than the overflow can take out. In that case you can use the ball valve after the pump to reduce the flow (don't worry, it wont hurt the pump. It'll actually use less power and last longer with it choked down.

As for my sump/WD i plan on using those plastic drawers to hold my medias maybe 3-4 drawers sitting on a huge plastic containers, now is there any long term problems with using these, maybe leaking out chemicals overtime into your tank? Also i have heard that most plastic containers will bow once water is put in, what are the best ways to support or prevent these, because i plan on using as much as i can of the sump container to maximize water volume within my tank.

That plan is fine. Just build a frame around the container to keep it from bowing.
In terms of heating would a 200 Watt and a 300 Watt heater do the trick? I will also be using (3x-4x) 34 Watt florescent bulbs. Around 6-8" above the water.

Unless the room gets really cold, that'll be fine.
 
rallysman thank you so much you pretty much answered all my questions. But other have cropped up from your answers. I mainly need your opinion on this one.

For pump i plan to get a Mag Drive 24 and at 10' head it does about 1100 GPH, therefore my holes now will be downsize to both 1" right each doing about 600 GPH x 2 = 1200 which is close since my head maybe even smaller than 10'. Now in my sketch i added an inside box to have more of a surface skimming, but would it be ok to just have the hole sit about 1" below from the bottom of the black trimming, or would this be not enough spacing for the bulkhead? And then use the spray bar to create water movement at the surface instead as well as pointing a bit of holes aiming 45 deg downward and some aiming to the sides to create a bit mix in the water movement, now is this good or bad?

So ya pretty much my questions are where should i place the holes in the rear like how far from the top and from the sides. So that it doesnt drain so much that my sump will be filled. My sump size should be close to 30 Gal now that i think about how little space i have under my stand. Bio load should be around to 5-7 Gal, would this be enough for a Oscar-Jack D-Jag-Green T. Also I plan to get these guys at fairly young age so i figured i can get them to get along with one another. Is there any other improvements i can add to this setup of mine to fully make use of my pump and tank at its fullest as well as for the sump W/D setup?
 
everything you just mentioned sounds like it should be fine. As far as placement of the holes in the back, my opinion is to go a bit lower than what you think you should. You can always raise the water level with PVC elbows and pipe, but it's more difficult to lower it. I have some holes on my 300 that are almost to the top and I had to use an elbow turned down to get the water level where I want it. I also had to drill a vent in the top of the (inverted) elbow to keep it from creating a siphon that would make the water too low.
Don't be afraid to keep the size of the return holes larger. You can always reduce the size of the spray bar for very little cost. PVC pipe and fittings are cheap. For reference, I have 2 1.5" overflows on my 300 and 2 1" returns. I think you're on the right track and you're definitely doing the right thing by doing your homework.

Good luck, and please, feel free to ask more questions. The only stupid question is the one that you don't ask.
 
Thanks Rallysman and "The only stupid question is the one that you don't ask." so true lol. Well i totally forgot about where to put my holes in my return spray, now is there like a special place where these should be placed? My plan is since its a 6ft tank intakes will be 2x 1.5" holes placed on the sides (left & right) 2" from the black trimming and 5" from the side of the glass. Holes for the spray bar will be 2x 1" holes placed 2" below the black trimming and will be placed at the 2ft mark and the other at the 4ft mark. I figured i can always put a "T" going both ways so just have it even out for now until i feel the need to extend it.
 
another thing to consider would be to connect the 2 return lines together and drill a bunch of 1/8 or 1/4" holes all the way across it. 2 1" returns would be more than enough for a 125. I only have 1 1" return on mine. It's still a good idea to drill 2 though. I like the idea of 1 1" return which connects to the other 1" return with the spray bar. Just block the back of the return that's not connected to the pump.
 
Today i went to Home Depot and they said they didnt have any bulk heads. Also they were $25 each, and im like wow i thought they were only like $10 max...does anyone know any other places where these can be purchased?
 
Wow thanks this will really save me a ton of money since i plan on doing 4 holes in my tank which would have cost me a bundle lol. Well anyways with this type of DIY bulkhead fitting is it still possible to use some kind of flexible tubing? If so does anyone know a cheap type of flexible tubing that i can use? I went to HD to check out the flexible tubings they had and they were $15 i think and it wasn't even that long. Also can i still use plastic ball valves and somehow connect them to the flexible tubing. Not sure yet what type i can use.
 
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