180 gallon stock ideas

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So far for my 180 I have decided to get

2 oscar (which o already have one is 5 inches other is 6 inches)
1 jaguar cichlid

Is their anything I can add?
 
I would not add the jag. As it gets much larger, is more aggressive, and requires different parameters than Oscar’s. I would look into a catfish species if you really want to Cohab the Oscar’s with something.
 
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I would not add the jag. As it gets much larger, is more aggressive, and requires different parameters than Oscar’s. I would look into a catfish species if you really want to Cohab the Oscar’s with something.
Jags get bad reps alot of YouTubers said jags do good with fish that can hold their own, plus I am getting it young so the oscars could get used to the jag and the jag could get used to the oscar
 
Instead of the Oscars with a jag, I’d get a punching bag instead to put in. It will accomplish the same purpose.
A few successes don’t negate the vast amount of failures that give parachromis their bad reputation with others.
 
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Instead of the Oscars with a jag, I’d get a punching bag instead to put in. It will accomplish the same purpose.
A few successes don’t negate the vast amount of failures that give parachromis their bad reputation with others.
Well it really depends in the personality of the jag, it could either be a stone cold killer or a little princess most of the time if you add the agressive fish smaller it will do fine
 
Jags get bad reps alot of YouTubers said jags do good with fish that can hold their own, plus I am getting it young so the oscars could get used to the jag and the jag could get used to the oscar
I love how YouTube is correct VS. someone who has kept, sold, and maintained (in customers tanks) species. Even if they DID get along. (Not happening IME). there are still two facts you can’t avoid

1: A male jag will outgrow a 180
2: they require completely different water parameters

if you didn’t want advice on stocking. You shouldn’t have posted
 
I would not add the jag. As it gets much larger, is more aggressive, and requires different parameters than Oscar’s. I would look into a catfish species if you really want to Cohab the Oscar’s with something.
I agree with this.
I have two 180s, and sitting here looking at them, it's obvious to me, they are not large enough for those 2 kinds of territorial cichlids together in the same tank.

But a non cichlid, because of that "territorial cichlid nature", would be less likely to be looked at as an interloper, and vanquished.
The non-cichlid such as the cat mentioned above could fit that non-interloper profile.
But
even more importantly (also mentioned above) are water parameter preferences .
Oscars prefer soft neutral to low ph water (pH 7 down to about 5), like the waters they are endemic to in nature, in Amazonia
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Parachromis managuensis and other Parachromis, prefer hard high pH water (pH 7.5 and higher), like the water parameters they are endemic to in Central America.
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The charts above show rather different parameters.

If you have water parameters of one or the other, that would influence cichlids to get.
If you have hard water, and put soft water cichlids like oscars in it they tend to end up at maturity, with HITH disease.
If you put hard water cichlids in soft water, at maturity they also tend to wind up with HITH
 
I see lots of aquarists that believe that South and Central American cichlids should be combined just because they encompass a group of both large, new world cichlids, but if you look at the differences between the water sheds, the reality is quite opposite.
Here in Panama I test water parameters wherever I collect cichlids, and even this close to South America water parameters are like night and day.
pH here averages above 8, and hardness and mineral content are also quite high
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Above is the Mamoni river, and a nitrate (left tube, 0 ppm) and pH test 8.2.

Beside the water though............, the inate territorial difference are also apparent.
In Amazonia cichlids live in species rich, and diverse communities of many cichlid species sharing habitat together, so territoriality is much less intense and defined. There are about 500 species of cichlids endemic to S America
But in Central America (only a little over 100 endemic species), so that diversity is much less, you sometimes only see 2 or 3 species in a large watershed, and individuals require much larger territorial boundaries.
Where I collect cichlids in Panama, in a large stretch of river, in one square mile I often find only 2 or 3 cichlid species, and their habitats are quite diverse, so they are not in the same place at the same time.
In slow flow areas I might find only Andinoacara coerleopunctatus, an insectivore, and only a few per acre
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In a moderate flow areas I might only find Isthmoheros tuyrensus, a Vieja like type that has a vegetarian bias, also, only a few per acre.
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And in fast flow, strong current areas, Darienheros calobrensis, a geophagine like sand sifter, and rock picker.
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Tbh 2 Oscar’s might be pushing it in a 180 look at FINWIN FINWIN ’s Oscar. I would do just two Oscar’s and maybe could fit something like a Raphael catfish. I’ve never personally kept jags but I have seen fully grown ones at my lfs and I can’t imagine those in a 180 by itself let alone with two Oscar’s.
 
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Jags get bad reps alot of YouTubers said jags do good with fish that can hold their own, plus I am getting it young so the oscars could get used to the jag and the jag could get used to the oscar

Trust me, I've learned a lot from Youtube, but it's not always correct. Just like all of social media, there is a lot of junk out there and a little bit of advice gold. I would highly recommend listening to these guys, they know their stuff, and they've been doing this for a long time. These guys are the advice gold.
 
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