1st BD/Leo is a Gonner

[hereticlosmorte]

Id leave the temp where it is and add 1 lb per 100gl of salt my buddy had the same thing and he did that and she started Eatting next day turn lights off and cover the tank give it a shot. Wanna pm were u got her from ? How many days u had her? How long was the travel? Did u test the bag water before pitting her I'n ? Ph ammonia? Hope this goes ur way!!!!!!

that would have been even harder on it. high temperature makes it harder for a ray to breathe, and adding in salt would have complicated it even further and caused less oxygen in the water.

salt is not a fix-it-all method. it is completely situational.

 

[lincolngoh]

If you saw pictures and picked that ray you must have been crazy as you could have seen how skinny it was in the pictue

Death curl is not something that happens over night it down to long exposure to bad water

To tell the truth it looks like the seller ripped you off if you got the ray in that state

I disagree. The ray below on the left is considered skinny, with a dent in the head, ribs showing and pelvic bones jutting out. The one that died is not skinny.
Rays are starved a few days before shipping, so theres no way they will look well fed.

I'm not suggesting anyone does it but a drastic change in temperature during shipping can cause a death curl. It does not even need to be overnight. You can probably induce it in 15 mins if you throw transfer a baby ray into a tank with a difference of 10 degrees Celsius and drop/increase of 4 PH.

IMHO The rays looked like a fair condition to be shipped.

There will always be mortality shipping baby rays. No commercial exporter has a perfect record. It's how they deal with it that counts.

 

[lincolngoh]

that would have been even harder on it. high temperature makes it harder for a ray to breathe, and adding in salt would have complicated it even further and caused less oxygen in the water.

salt is not a fix-it-all method. it is completely situational.

Yup I agree, heat must be done in tandem with sufficient aeration and in the correct dosage.

My rays go without salt most of the time, but periodically I do add mineral salts to mimic those washed into the Amazon.

 

[T1KARMANN]

Just because there are no pelvic bones showing or a dent doesn't mean the ray is not skinny

The hip bones and dent can take months to get rid of once a ray starts feeding

Just look at the rear end of the ray or top of the belly you can see the mussels another sign the ray has not eatern for a week or 2

We all know how to ship rays and I would only stave them for 2-3 days max and the mussel on top wouldn't be showing after that length of time

All this doesn't matter now as there has been a loss which we are all sorry for and the ray is being replaced so that should be the end of it

 

[marvinbaker]

I can't really understand the purpose of this thread. Unless it was being used to negotiate the free replacement by the OP. Why show a fish that is about to die and then dies causing a detrimental view to both the OP and the vendor. There is no positive message, no learning, just a thread about the pointless death of a ray. Well done.

I guess it could just be a thread as a cry for sympathy but that just seems a little pathetic. Threads like these are what put people off MFK. They invite flames and show no learning. I'll put some learning in here. Buy a healthy ray, settle it in properly, get the ray into a condition you are proud of, tell us about the journey of doing so. If you are unsure of whether to buy or about how to settle a ray in then ask that question before buying.

In case the answer to my post is that you were just desperately looking for some vain hope of how to fix this ray, don't then start with a title that says "it's a gonner", because that is not the title of a man posting a thread asking for help.

 

[lincolngoh]

Just because there are no pelvic bones showing or a dent doesn't mean the ray is not skinny

The hip bones and dent can take months to get rid of once a ray starts feeding

Just look at the rear end of the ray or top of the belly you can see the mussels another sign the ray has not eatern for a week or 2

Erm that can't be right, after the initial fats are gone, my new born rays turn from a healthy hump to visible muscles within 2 days of not eating. Almost all of them go through this stage when I'm training them to eat different types of seafood. How long a food hump stays depends what they are eating, tank conditions like current, water quality and temperature. Certain foods like blood worms are digested within hours.

Anyway thats all I have to say about this matter. I guess our views of what a skinny ray is, just greatly differ.

 

[Ma12cus504]

I can't really understand the purpose of this thread. Unless it was being used to negotiate the free replacement by the OP. Why show a fish that is about to die and then dies causing a detrimental view to both the OP and the vendor. There is no positive message, no learning, just a thread about the pointless death of a ray. Well done.

I guess it could just be a thread as a cry for sympathy but that just seems a little pathetic. Threads like these are what put people off MFK. They invite flames and show no learning. I'll put some learning in here. Buy a healthy ray, settle it in properly, get the ray into a condition you are proud of, tell us about the journey of doing so. If you are unsure of whether to buy or about how to settle a ray in then ask that question before buying.

In case the answer to my post is that you were just desperately looking for some vain hope of how to fix this ray, don't then start with a title that says "it's a gonner", because that is not the title of a man posting a thread asking for help.

Too bad you dont see it. If you analyze it carefully, you will learn the following:

1. Learn where the best place to order high end Rays.
2. Water temperature and what to do when you receive your ray.
3. What you should attempt to feed it.
4. Know how to determine what is starving and what is not.

and many more....

As for mker fighting among each other, that i cant help. Everyone have their own opinion of what is and what is not. Some truely believe it, so they continue to fight to their heart content. But at the end, it always ends like how it begin. This is how mker people are.

Good one is when people here, slam other for having small tanks (arowana in a 55g and etc) and get offended with a response like "do what you want, it your fish"

As of now, this trend has lost it purpose. It became more like a fighting ring

 

[bbenjamin21]

Would a mod just close this already

 

[T1KARMANN]

To tell the truth I don't think a temp of 90 is to high
My rays live in 86-88 all year round with no problems as long as you have plenty of aeration

The OP said mike gave him a lot of help so must have told him to turn it up to 90 which is the advice I would have given

Im not into this silly 2 hour drip thing I think if the ray is in a box for a long time it's best to get it out of that box asap so I dump 2 pans of tank water in the box wait 15 mins the put the ray in the tank I have never had a problem doing it this way and feel there is no need to stress the ray out for another 2 hours in the box

That's my thoughts and I'm done

 

[KNH]

I've also picked up several rays from Mike and he has treated me more than fairly. Glad to hear he is replacing the ray for you and I'm not surprised at all. He will treat you right.