220 gallon Florida native tank

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
Awesome set up, it's not very often I see something I never even knew existed but I don't think I have ever seen those shrimp before! Did you catch them local? I live in Florida too


Sent from my iPad using MonsterAquariaNetwork app
 
Awesome set up, it's not very often I see something I never even knew existed but I don't think I have ever seen those shrimp before! Did you catch them local? I live in Florida too

Those shrimp were collected on the upstream side of the Lake Worth spillway using 1 gallon juice jugs turned into funnel traps and baited with fresh chicken liver. I placed the jugs upright in the riprap around the structure and piled rocks around them. I set the traps at dusk and retrieved them the next morning. I set them only at night to avoid catching nothing but jewels and mayans.

There are three species of Macrobrachium in FL: M. olfersii, M. acanthurus, and M. carcinus. I have seen M. olfersii listed as both exotic and native. It is my belief that the species is native and was just not often collected. I think they are a neat species. They are the only North American species with unequal sized chela. The photo is of a male, the females' chela are both small and more equal in size. They all have the same pattern, but are variable in background color, some being dark greenish, some more blue, and some reddish. I have read that they are highly variable in morphology across their entire range which stretches from Florida to Brazil.

I have also kept M. acanthurus back home in Louisiana and recently here collected from the Loxahatchee River. I had a large male, but he died while I was rebuilding the tank. Acanthurus can be dipnetted from eel grass beds.

I have never seen the big daddy, M. carcinus, though I have a friend who has seen them in the canals around Homestead on the way out to Turkey Point and Biscayne Park. I know they're around here too, but I don't have a trap big enough to catch one.

All of these shrimp are catadromous, so you won't find them in landlocked water bodies.

Where in Florida are you?
 
Those shrimp were collected on the upstream side of the Lake Worth spillway using 1 gallon juice jugs turned into funnel traps and baited with fresh chicken liver. I placed the jugs upright in the riprap around the structure and piled rocks around them. I set the traps at dusk and retrieved them the next morning. I set them only at night to avoid catching nothing but jewels and mayans.

There are three species of Macrobrachium in FL: M. olfersii, M. acanthurus, and M. carcinus. I have seen M. olfersii listed as both exotic and native. It is my belief that the species is native and was just not often collected. I think they are a neat species. They are the only North American species with unequal sized chela. The photo is of a male, the females' chela are both small and more equal in size. They all have the same pattern, but are variable in background color, some being dark greenish, some more blue, and some reddish. I have read that they are highly variable in morphology across their entire range which stretches from Florida to Brazil.

I have also kept M. acanthurus back home in Louisiana and recently here collected from the Loxahatchee River. I had a large male, but he died while I was rebuilding the tank. Acanthurus can be dipnetted from eel grass beds.

I have never seen the big daddy, M. carcinus, though I have a friend who has seen them in the canals around Homestead on the way out to Turkey Point and Biscayne Park. I know they're around here too, but I don't have a trap big enough to catch one.

All of these shrimp are catadromous, so you won't find them in landlocked water bodies.

Where in Florida are you?

Cool shrimp! However, everything I can find says that they've been introduced to FL. Where did you hear that they were native?
 
I believe USGS had them listed as both native and exotic.

I have a record of them being collected in the Alcazar Pool and the Old Waterwork Pool, St. Augustine, FL. Schmitt (1933) proposed that they were introduced accidentally. I have not read that reference myself and I do not know what was the proposed method of introduction. Carcinus is found here and in Central and South America. I don't think that it is a stretch to consider that olfersii may have been here all along, but were just not collected. I would like to ask an expert about this though.
 
Here is a link to the collection records from USGS's fact sheet for the species. Notice that it is listed as a "Native Transplant". So a catadromous species with no barriers to it's dispersal is native to Central and South America but not the Gulf Coast and southern US Atlantic coast? Why not? I think we are dealing with a cryptic species that has not been well-studied and is often misidentified as a crayfish even by scientists.

http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/collectioninfo.aspx?SpeciesID=1202
 
Not trying to troll or anything, I'm genuinely curious about this now! I see that USGS has them in the nonindigenous section and they note that the 3 collection sites are very far from their natural range. Not to mention, why would it naturally show up that far North in FL without colonizing other areas along the way? I suppose they could have been outcompeted in those zones, but it's interesting to speculate about. From what I gathered it's believed that they hitchhiked in aquatic plant shipments.

But yes, everything I've read says it's still a mystery!
 
Very impressive. That's the way it should be done!!
 
Not trying to troll or anything, I'm genuinely curious about this now! I see that USGS has them in the nonindigenous section and they note that the 3 collection sites are very far from their natural range. Not to mention, why would it naturally show up that far North in FL without colonizing other areas along the way? I suppose they could have been outcompeted in those zones, but it's interesting to speculate about. From what I gathered it's believed that they hitchhiked in aquatic plant shipments.

But yes, everything I've read says it's still a mystery!

Yep, that's how I look at it... a mystery. I personally don't have any qualms about having them in my native tank.
 
MonsterFishKeepers.com