4'' silver aro. i have a question.
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hmmm...salt water bath in marine salt? even for a few minutes, you'd be shocking the poor aro.
Check out arofanatics.com, or arowanaclub.com. These guys all raise and own asians, aussies and silver for many years.
Not one has stated to use marine salt bath to treat most diseases with an aro. Basic treatment has always been raising the temp to about 84-86 F, add in salt, preferably the aq.pharm. salt or epsom salt (for swim bladder problems).
Depending on the size of the tank and level of water you add x amount of tbsp salt. Actually on one of the sites there is a calculator to measure the salt. Average is to maintain a 0.3 to 0.5 percent of salt. Also, to add it slowly over a period of time to get that level ie. 0.5% ratio. Why? This way the you will acclimate the aro to the salinity in the water and not shock it.
Not only is it on their forums, but I asked a lot of the lfs that "do" stock aro's, jars and silvers/blacks on a constant basis said the same, never shock the aro with salt or a salt bath. Sure it takes a little longer with the higher temp and salt, but its well worth it to ensure that the aro is getting cured slowly but surely without undue stress.
I have already used this method for a jardini that I took from some idiot. Poor bugger had swim bladder problems and clouded up eyes. Its been over a month of treatment, and he's 95% now, both eyes completely cleared, and at first I thought he was blinded, but turned out to be not so. He's swimming at a slight angle, a few degrees off as opposed to his 45 degree angle when I got him.
It took quite a bit of time and patience, but its well worth it to see him eating normally and swimming straighter.
When I get the chance I'll post some updated pics of the jar, and a extreme makeover of his hospital/quarantine tank (10 gal) for now until my 125 comes in. Damn PETLAND waiting over a month now!
Check out arofanatics.com, or arowanaclub.com. These guys all raise and own asians, aussies and silver for many years.
Not one has stated to use marine salt bath to treat most diseases with an aro. Basic treatment has always been raising the temp to about 84-86 F, add in salt, preferably the aq.pharm. salt or epsom salt (for swim bladder problems).
Depending on the size of the tank and level of water you add x amount of tbsp salt. Actually on one of the sites there is a calculator to measure the salt. Average is to maintain a 0.3 to 0.5 percent of salt. Also, to add it slowly over a period of time to get that level ie. 0.5% ratio. Why? This way the you will acclimate the aro to the salinity in the water and not shock it.
Not only is it on their forums, but I asked a lot of the lfs that "do" stock aro's, jars and silvers/blacks on a constant basis said the same, never shock the aro with salt or a salt bath. Sure it takes a little longer with the higher temp and salt, but its well worth it to ensure that the aro is getting cured slowly but surely without undue stress.
I have already used this method for a jardini that I took from some idiot. Poor bugger had swim bladder problems and clouded up eyes. Its been over a month of treatment, and he's 95% now, both eyes completely cleared, and at first I thought he was blinded, but turned out to be not so. He's swimming at a slight angle, a few degrees off as opposed to his 45 degree angle when I got him.
It took quite a bit of time and patience, but its well worth it to see him eating normally and swimming straighter.
When I get the chance I'll post some updated pics of the jar, and a extreme makeover of his hospital/quarantine tank (10 gal) for now until my 125 comes in. Damn PETLAND waiting over a month now!
If the amount of salt is enough to kill bacteria on a fish then its also enough to atleast have an impact on the bacteria in the filter. The fish wont get "shocked" by being put into marine level salt water, unless you leave it in there for too long. Its been done in Australia all the time, its just convenient to take the water out of a tank that has already got premixed salt in it is all. If you keep an eye on the fish undergoing treatment you know when its had enough. I have used this method on far more sensitive fish than arowanas (very delicate marine fish of differing varieties) if they can handle it then Im sure that an arowana can handle it. I was not saying that overnight the bacteria in the filter will die, but there is an adverse effect on it. Nobody has to take my advice, Im just saying that of all the methods I know of that is what I have found to be the most effective. However I would like to take this moment to say that you should try all methods at your disposal atleast once so you can find out what works best for you, because the only way to learn is through experience.
I have used salt as treatment on my 75 gallon SA cichlid tank and seen no effects on the biological filtration. As my water params did not Change Ammonia, nitrite and the usual increase of nitrate. The does was 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons of water. Used Jungle brand aquarium salt.
Heat and salt or other meds work it may take a while, but unless the disease was life threatening if not healed instantly. I would not recommend the "salt bath"
If I were to do a "salt bath" on my 12 silver I would have to do a lot of research fist. I would not choose to learn from experience at the cost of my fish's life.
Heat and salt or other meds work it may take a while, but unless the disease was life threatening if not healed instantly. I would not recommend the "salt bath"
If I were to do a "salt bath" on my 12 silver I would have to do a lot of research fist. I would not choose to learn from experience at the cost of my fish's life.
piscevore;634294; said:
Hmmm..you are correct, doing what works for you is best. However doing a "salt bath" with a marine fish, that is already saltwater, I would assume is not as shocking than to do it to a FW fish. Unless you are talking about doing the reverse, placing a SW fish into a FW bath, which I have heard done before. Which I think is still bad to the fishes system.
I did however forget to mention that from looking thru arowana specific forums and talking to lfs owners that cater a lot to aro's did state to use a quarantine tank if possible as not to harm other fishes with aro, unless you only have the 1 aro in the main tank.
Also as bderick stated, I too have not seen any changes in my ammonia, nitrite just a margninal increase in nitrate in my quarantine tank. PH stayed the same also. Even added some Tetra BW to help make the aro more comfy, and no adverse effects.
Although, trying what s best for you, the thought of gambling with an aro, or any fish for that matter that I may and will have since a tiny bugger, spending all that time and money , I wouldn't want to risk the salt bath per se.
But everyone is entitled to their own ideas/methods, but I for one will standby the tried and true method used by so many aro keepers.
ok guys thanks. the ich is gone by using ich cure.
i have tried "salt Bath" in a saltwater tank with a albino Rainbow shark and at about 15 seconds he died of the drastic change in the water. so the salt bath is something i will not try again. thanks though. he is a bit bigger and alot fatter now and i will add him to the other tank next week......
thanks
i have tried "salt Bath" in a saltwater tank with a albino Rainbow shark and at about 15 seconds he died of the drastic change in the water. so the salt bath is something i will not try again. thanks though. he is a bit bigger and alot fatter now and i will add him to the other tank next week......
thanks
Put a marine fish in freshwater, has the same effect as putting a freshwater fish in salt water. I was talking from alot of experience doing this, all the fish I have done this to properly were fine, and I have dont this with very sensitive marine fish sop a aro would be no problem at all. Your decision though.
i know what you mean and i understand because other people have said the same thing to me in the past for other problems, but i just had bad experience using that method so it does not mean what you said is wrong, it just means i did something wrong.
thanks for the help anyways. splashed some aquarium salt water over my gold severum and curred him from a desease that would have killed him. so thanks for your imput in the situation piscevore......
thanks for the help anyways. splashed some aquarium salt water over my gold severum and curred him from a desease that would have killed him. so thanks for your imput in the situation piscevore......
I just saw your post and just wanted to say i am glad everything turned out well for the little guy.. hope he does great in the big tank too..congradulations on your new one!
