5" paddlefish !!

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new2natives;2085027; said:
hahaa, i keep coming up with more questions ... if you would rather me PM you, let me know, but i figure at least this way other people can learn along with me... or even add questions or comments

No need to PM, someone else might know of a better way and tell us.

1) any reason you use lava rocks instead of bioballs, or pot scrubbies which are popular among DYI projects

Probably not, I just always have crushed lava rocks lying around from making potting soil for my cacti and aquarium soil. It is possible that the minerals in the lava rocks might promote better bacterial growth but I don't have any proof of that other than the excellent way it works for me.

2) would a rubbermade tub or a stock tank work for a sump instead of another tank?

Oh yes any non toxic container will work as long as it fits in the space available.

3) does it matter where the overflow is placed? i assume you still have to vac the bottom of your tank to remove the crap on the bottom (literally)?

I like to place it in the corner of the tank so I can use a bubble wand to help direct detritus into the over flow but other than that it can be placed where ever is most convenient. No I do not vac the bottom of my tank, I use sand with my special potting soil under the sand. (Yes I use fine sand) Detritus is a natural part of the freshwater environment. I do use MTS to help keep the bottom free of left over food and fish poop but other than using a bubble wand to direct water flow toward the over flow I do not attempt to remove detritus.

4) does it matter where the return is placed?

Maybe, I put the return near the end of the tank with the over flow and direct the return away from the over flow to help water circulate around the tank. Just make sure the return helps circulate the water in the way you need it to.

5) what is the difference between putting the rocks above the sump? some people put their media inside (submerged in) the sump i think? i assume thats where "trickle filter" comes in, but what are the advantages to doing it your way?

When the rocks are above the water they are exposed to much more air and the extra oxygen results in a higher rate of bacterial action. The faster the bacteria can convert ammonia to nitrite and then to nitrate the better it is for the fish.

6) how do you know how full to fill the sump when setting it up?

You fill up the tank until it begins to pour into the sump, then you fill up the sump to the level you want. When you start the pump the level in the sump will drop as the pump transfers water to the tank. When the level stabilizes mark it with in an easy to see way and never fill the sump up beyond this while the pump is running. That way you can judge how much evaporation has taken place with out shutting down the pump and allowing the filter to drain.

7) as for the holes in the buckets (both bottoms) how many holes, and what diameter?

The distribution plate is about 11" in diameter and has around 80 to 100 6mm holes in it. Your pump flow will determine how many holes you need. Make sure you test everything before installing it it's final place.


8) how loud is this setup?

Not loud to me but I like the sound of trickling water.

** to clarify, i am just wondering and curious why things are done a certain way, i am not questioning the "correctness" of your setup at all

Always question dude, never accept anything at face value, you might misunderstand me and want clarification or sometimes you might see a better way. I've been keeping fish for 45 years but the best part is learning something new. Once you know everything it becomes boring to me!
 
new2natives;2080461; said:
andy - yeah i kept my white in cooler water and he loved it (until i messed up the tank :() and i think he was a lot better looking than the sterlets, but the sterlets are tiny, so maybe once they get bigger they'd be better looking. are you all out of the whites?

We haven't had whites since the end of June I believe. Hopefully in the next few years I'll have the room/money to set up a nice big round tank for some sturgeons and possibly paddelfish. I've got my eye on a 700 some gallon blue stock tank at a farm supply store. It even has some places that would be perfect for installing some square acrylic windows, but it will probably be years before I keep sturgeon again
 
i will post a drawing after this of what i envision it looking like

but first ;) ... more questions

1) do you have lids on the buckets or sump?
2) how do you have the bucket help up above the tank?
3) how do you have the 1st bucket held on top of the 2nd?
4) there is no standing water in the buckets, correct? just falling water?
5) i have a long section of flexible tubing, similar in size and flexibilty to a pyton hose, would that work for the water coming and going from the aquarium?
6) there is no need for backflow valves in case of a power outage, just so long as i keep the return nozzle above the aquarium water?
7) how often, and what % water changes did you say you have to do? just whenever you test the water and your levels are elevated?
8) can you guess my stocklist based on my drawing? HAHAHA jk
 
this obviously isn't drawn to scale, but i did try and draw it in order , and the placement of the stuff will be under the tank, obviously, but other than that, its how it should look

please feel free to comment / correct anything :)

* also, sorry my handwriting is crappy, so if you cant read something, let me know ... and also the only 2 sizes that appear are too small to see, and too big ... i can't figure out how to resize it to somewhere in the middle :(

and to the right of the buckets it should say "holes" no "ho" haha, my scanner cut me off

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new2natives;2087276; said:
this obviously isn't drawn to scale, but i did try and draw it in order , and the placement of the stuff will be under the tank, obviously, but other than that, its how it should look

please feel free to comment / correct anything :)

* also, sorry my handwriting is crappy, so if you cant read something, let me know ... and also the only 2 sizes that appear are too small to see, and too big ... i can't figure out how to resize it to somewhere in the middle :(

and to the right of the buckets it should say "holes" no "ho" haha, my scanner cut me off

That is pretty much what it looks like, Mine drains through a bulkhead fitting in the bottom of the tank in the corner. my entire tank corner is the overflow.
 
Moontanman;2087302; said:
Mine drains through a bulkhead fitting in the bottom of the tank in the corner. my entire tank corner is the overflow.

gotcha! now i see why people want drilled tanks / overflow tanks, but i guess its too late for that now :) ... so can i do it with a overflow box on the top, or what is the best route for me to go? thats about all i can do at this point, right ?
 
new2natives;2087262; said:
i will post a drawing after this of what i envision it looking like

but first ;) ... more questions

Ok

1) do you have lids on the buckets or sump?

No

2) how do you have the bucket help up above the tank?

1.5" by 1.5" wood boards

3) how do you have the 1st bucket held on top of the 2nd?

It just sits in it.

4) there is no standing water in the buckets, correct? just falling water?

exactly

5) i have a long section of flexible tubing, similar in size and flexibilty to a pyton hose, would that work for the water coming and going from the aquarium?

If it allows enough flow for the out flow, the out flow from the tank needs to be bigger than the inflow hose.

6) there is no need for backflow valves in case of a power outage, just so long as i keep the return nozzle above the aquarium water?

that's right, I don't trust check valves.

7) how often, and what % water changes did you say you have to do? just whenever you test the water and your levels are elevated?

I never test my water, I go by the look of the fish, the smell of the water. I do about 1/3 of the water or the volume of my sump once a month.

8) can you guess my stocklist based on my drawing? HAHAHA jk

Nope, You might want to work with the out flow, mine drians directly from the bottom of the tank, the way you have yours drawn is different, just make sure it drains correctly. Test everything before you place it in your house!
 
new2natives;2087312; said:
gotcha! now i see why people want drilled tanks / overflow tanks, but i guess its too late for that now :) ... so can i do it with a overflow box on the top, or what is the best route for me to go? thats about all i can do at this point, right ?


Unless you want to have your tank sent out and drilled an over flow box is the only way i know if.
 
my tank is already set up and running ... full of water and fish ... for about 4 months

i was just going to try and go this route, since my filtration isn't keeping up with my tank, i am constantly doing water changes :( and i don't want to have something happen to this tank because of the W/C like what happened with my sturgeon tank
 
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